| # | User | Message | Date |
| 4022 | Ladislav | committed | 14-Feb 0:30 |
| 4021 | Steeve | the binary! datatype is a hard one ;-) | 14-Feb 0:30 |
| 4020 | Steeve | just missing : binary-16: [opt "16" "#{" .... | 14-Feb 0:24 |
| 4019 | Steeve | seems legit to me | 14-Feb 0:23 |
| 4018 | Steeve | seems legit to me | 14-Feb 0:23 |
| 4017 | Ladislav | (I am not sure I defined WHITESPACE correctly, though) | 14-Feb 0:21 |
| 4016 | Ladislav | OK, thanks, whitespace in binaries committed | 14-Feb 0:21 |
| 4015 | Steeve | seems it"s true for 2#{} also, didn't check for 64# | 14-Feb 0:15 |
| 4014 | Maxim | yep! >>16#{F F F F} == #{FFFF} | 14-Feb 0:11 |
| 4013 | Steeve | 16#{} prefix also allowed | 14-Feb 0:09 |
| 4012 | Steeve | lf as well | 14-Feb 0:07 |
| 4011 | Steeve | IIRC, whitespace is allowed in 16-binaries | 14-Feb 0:06 |
| 4010 | Ladislav | binary-syntax added | 14-Feb 0:01 |
| 4009 | Steeve | Ok :) | 13-Feb 23:19 |
| 4008 | Steeve | Ok I see now, some values are still missing | 13-Feb 23:18 |
| 4007 | Ladislav | I just did not write many datatypes yet | 13-Feb 23:18 |
| 4006 | Ladislav | BRACED-STRING - correction committed | 13-Feb 23:15 |
| 4005 | Steeve | #{} 2#{} 64#{] ? | 13-Feb 23:14 |
| 4004 | Steeve | Also, did you forget binary! ? | 13-Feb 23:13 |
| 4003 | Steeve | It's why I checked that first ;-) | 13-Feb 23:09 |
| 4002 | Steeve | I knew most of rebolers didn't know that rule :-) | 13-Feb 23:09 |
| 4001 | Ladislav | ok, that needs a correction | 13-Feb 23:09 |
| 4000 | Steeve | yep | 13-Feb 23:08 |
| 3999 | Maxim | with the added condition that they must be exactly paired. | 13-Feb 23:08 |
| 3998 | Maxim | >> a: {{}} == "{} | 13-Feb 23:07 |
| 3997 | Steeve | yeah, {{}} is a valid braced-string | 13-Feb 23:07 |
| 3996 | Ladislav | Steeve: "a braced-string {...} mays contain breaced-strings" - can you give an example? | 13-Feb 23:06 |
| 3995 | Evgeniy Philippov | hehe. the greatest &RQ logo with a pointing hand really always greatly raises my motivation to develop something :) http://rejetto.com/&RQ/ the motivation is crucial managers seek hard to rise the motivation. And it's simple: good art can do it :) | 23-Jan 18:21 |
| 3994 | Evgeniy Philippov | xposting here --- | 23-Jan 18:21 |
| 3993 | WuJian | haha, gong xi fa cai | 23-Jan 2:12 |
| 3992 | TomBon | gongxifacái | 22-Jan 20:25 |
| 3991 | GrahamC | Happy New Lunar Year! | 22-Jan 20:12 |
| 3990 | GiuseppeC | Ladislav, it's not the "Whish" philosophy, it is the FRUSTRATION and DESPERATION philosophy. We are really upset and inpotent about the situation. We feel abandoned. We have devodet part our life to this programming language and you more than us. You should understand some misbehaving we have falled into. However I apologize for my intrusion in "Carl Only" even if without us it is an abandoned place. | 21-Jan 13:19 |
| 3989 | Gregg | The goal of having groups at all, and giving them a purpose and some loose guidelines for posting, is to make it easier to find the information you (we) want. | 21-Jan 3:23 |
| 3988 | Pekr | Interesting, that even 7 years ago, 5-Jan-2005, the purpose of the group was not clear enough to some other ppl. Two messages later Carl logged in, not commenting on the purpose of the group itself. And to be fair - back at that time I though it is actually from Carl, but I don't think so anymore. It's not about the pov change, even back then it was all speculation on my, and others side ... ReViewer: Just wondering, "Carl Only Messages" means this group is read only except for Carl? Anton: Yes, it's a bit ambiguous, isn' t it ? I think the group creator should clarify in the group description whether these are messages TO or FROM Carl. (If TO, I think that's a bit hopeful... ;) pekr: I think it is FROM Carl, as To Carl only you can contact him privately ... none: Actually those would be better name "To Carl" From Carl", Or better "Carl Talks" "Carl Listens" Not that it matters much anyway imo, we simply will stay away from that group, to make such a discussion a closed case ... | 20-Jan 12:56 |
| 3987 | Ladislav | "If I, or anyone else think, that it is good to post there any messages for Carl to read, then we will do so, easy as that." - yes, that is exactly what I pointed at. It is the "I *wish*" philosophy, which can, in fact, be used to justify everything | 20-Jan 11:06 |
| 3986 | Pekr | Ladislav - I start to think, that sometimes you have really problem with perceiving reality, as marking my non rememberance of Carl's original post as a lie, is a bit exagerrated imo. Look - I don't care about any academic claims like "since you cannot deny you rea the original posting". The reality is, the group went so off-topic even when Carl was presented, that for me it really does not matter, how accurate your explanation of original group meaning is. If I, or anyone else think, that it is good to post there any messages for Carl to read, then we will do so, easy as that. I think that life is more dynamic, than pedantly adhering to rules, especially in case there is a proof those rules were far more not adhered to in the past. I always do things as I feel them being right, not how any "written law" suggests, so If I feel that I want to send a message to Carl that way, I will do so. Now I depart from all this nonsense ... | 20-Jan 10:30 |
| 3985 | Ladislav | "name of the group does not explain anything at all imo" - it does for anybody being able to read. Your "post messages you want Carl to read" is just twisting the meaning. There is no excuse for you doing so ("I can see no Carl's original posting") since you cannot deny you read the original posting. That would be just another twist of reality (a lie) and you should know it as well as I do. As far as the rest of your twisting logic is presented, I react with "no comment". | 20-Jan 10:13 |
| 3984 | Pekr | - name of the group does not explain anything at all imo
- I can see no Carl's original posting, my first message is from 4/Jan/2004, from Shadwolf. Then Anton, "none", Reviewer and me guessing, if it is "from" Carl, or "to" Carl, which in itself clearly shows, than more than one person had problem understanding original purpose of the group
- Sunanda's explanation is just that - his opinion
- there is no etc. :-)
- I am not accusing anyone from anything :-) I know it helps from time to time, to keep groups being on-topic, and I can understand that in the case of Saphirion, but as for me, recent Carl only's post are far less off topic than some prior discussions in that group. For god's or anyone sake, it will be best for me to create pekr-only group, giving anyone any persmission to post anything :-) | 19-Jan 20:32 |
| 3983 | Janko | I didn't notice or think enough, I won't post any more | 19-Jan 20:30 |
| 3982 | Ladislav | You should read: - the name of the group - Carl's original posting (I bet that you did pretending now you did not) - Sunanda's explanation - etc. Or you can accuse me of whatever you want, since it is what you *wish* | 19-Jan 20:02 |
| 3981 | Pekr | I think it is Ladislav, who understands the meaning of the group differently. I definitely translate is - post messages you want Carl to read. So - in recent situation, when Carl reappeared and is hopefully considering next steps, talk about the arguments for open-sourcing R3 is pretty much valid in mybook ... | 19-Jan 19:35 |
| 3980 | Sunanda | Only Carl posting......That is my understanding, Graham....That is more-or-less what Carl asked for in the group back in feb-2005. It's had short bursts of non-Carl posts several times since then. I guess some of us get too excited to search for a topic-specific group before posting :) | 19-Jan 19:29 |
| 3979 | GrahamC | the discussion is for Carl to read ..if it's Carl only then only Carls can post, right? | 19-Jan 18:30 |
| 3978 | Ladislav | Still more curious which one of "Carl" and "only" is not understandable. | 19-Jan 15:12 |
| 3977 | Ladislav | Please, be so kind and respect the group purposes. For example, I would welcome you not discussing general topics in the "Carl Only" group, "Saphirion" group, etc. | 18-Jan 23:28 |
| 3976 | Dockimbel | Would certainly be easier for contributing, versions tracking, documentation using the wiki, ... | 12-Jan 15:26 |
| 3975 | MikeL | Wouldn't gitHubbing the script library solve these concerns? | 12-Jan 12:01 |
| 3974 | GrahamC | There are a ot of things that should be done but aren't. All the librarians can do is track the various sites and attempt to mirror the scripts. We have lost whole sites in the past ... | 12-Jan 8:58 |
| 3973 | Endo | GrahamC, still "the one" should (or may) put a link to the original script, this gives more chance to people to find it. Not all Rebolers use AltMe, it is difficult for beginners. | 12-Jan 8:10 |
| 3972 | GrahamC | the other argument is that one should not put all one's eggs into one basket. Rebol.org is owned by RT .... | 11-Jan 20:12 |
| 3971 | Marco | I totally agree with Endo. If anyone has scripts useful to many people (like me ;) ) is invited to publish them on rebol.org. "Sharing is caring". | 11-Jan 20:01 |
| 3970 | Endo | Sure he is free to publish anywhere he likes, but it is the first place to look at, for me and most of the people (beginners especially). I have tons of dead links to REBOL pages & scripts moved somewhere else. And also it is more difficult to have new versions of those script not on rebol.org For example BrianH's csv-tools.r is a great script, useful for most people. But I'm sure if it wasn't on the rebol.org many people would try to re-invent the wheel. Anyway, just an idea. | 6-Jan 22:05 |
| 3969 | Sunanda | Endo asks in Announce:
> Why Ladislav's include.r is not on rebol.org?
I'm not sure there needs to be reason. Ladislav is free to publish anywhere he likes. For those looking for include.r -- you can find it here: http://www.fm.vslib.cz/~ladislav/rebol/ | 6-Jan 13:51 |
| 3968 | Henrik | Here, people do this as well, usually ends with 5-10 people a year in the hospital with a lost eye or hand. They also shoot fireworks up to a month before new year and a few days after to get rid of the left overs. | 3-Jan 21:18 |
| 3967 | Reichart | In Maui everyone sets off their own pretty heavy grade fireworks. Enough that I found about 20+ "shell casings (paper) around my property, and tey were all over the streetss. | 3-Jan 21:12 |
| 3966 | Rebolek | Happy New Year! Our wonderful municipality spent tons of money on fireworks (they have obsession with fireworks, the will cut 20% money for childern and seniors support this year, but the huge budget for fireworks show will stay same) this year and then they shoot all the rockets into impenetrable fog and nobody was able to see anything but some blurry spots. I just love them. | 1-Jan 22:52 |
| 3965 | Geomol | Happy New Year to everyone! I was in centrum Copenhagen with lots of fireworks. This year I noticed several larger BOOMs than normally. That's not very funny, and I don't know, what people are thinking. Small bangs are ok with me, even if they're not legal here, but these were like grenades. | 1-Jan 15:17 |
| 3964 | GrahamC | too wet ...they thoiught no one would come to watch them | 1-Jan 11:05 |
| 3963 | Henrik | too costly? | 1-Jan 8:16 |
| 3962 | GrahamC | All the city council fireworks were cancelled here | 31-Dec 23:42 |
| 3961 | Henrik | Crappy weather here and it's just past midnight. Didn't get any good fireworks pictures. | 31-Dec 23:14 |
| 3960 | GrahamC | Past mid day for me in the New Year, and it's finally stopped raining! | 31-Dec 23:13 |
| 3959 | nve | Not yet in France, maybe Graham | 31-Dec 17:16 |
| 3958 | Janko | Happy new Year, is anyone already in 2012 (if so, hi from the past ;)) | 31-Dec 16:30 |
| 3957 | Henrik | Happy New Year | 31-Dec 13:24 |
| 3956 | PeterWood | Happy New Year to one and all. | 31-Dec 13:06 |
| 3955 | Gabriele | Kaj: voting systems may not be effective on small groups, but they are not harmful in any way in that case. So having it would mean that the system scales automatically: in small groups, you just "block" or ignore people; in bigger groups, you use voting. | 5-Aug 8:20 |
| 3954 | Reichart | :) | 5-Aug 1:19 |
| 3953 | PeterWood | Thanks for all the input here regarding Shadwolf. Action has been started. In the circumstances, it would be best to refrain from making further comments especially in Web-Public fourms. On behalf of the Web Masters. | 4-Aug 23:11 |
| 3952 | onetom | Im also using Rebol2 for my paid job partly and I also agree life is too short. So Im not against a ban, it's just a hard. I hope he forgives us when he could get out of this constant grumpiness... | 4-Aug 22:03 |
| 3951 | Tomc | I not around here much but still enjoy and get paid well for playing with rebol2 | 4-Aug 21:38 |
| 3950 | Tomc | life is too short. perssistant annoyance? boot em. | 4-Aug 21:35 |
| 3949 | Kaj | It's not for a lack of trying. I have met probably more than my share of such people. I have developed some ideas about possible causes and cures that I try to relate to them, but that's all I can do and one of the symptoms is invariably not wanting to listen | 4-Aug 20:19 |
| 3948 | Kaj | I am sorry to hear that, but we are not in the position to do that for him. There are sadly also too many people in the world and on the Internet like that for anyone to handle | 4-Aug 20:15 |
| 3947 | onetom | At the end he got so nervous as john cleese in the Bicycle Repairman sketch and finally he bit the guy's wrist. They called the police and he had to go for a blood test to make sure he doesnt have rabies. By now he is in a mental institution for ~4years. I don't think he can ever recover anymore... I feel Shadwolf has a similar medical condition which he makes even worse by drinking. But it's curable... if someone can help and take it seriously. | 4-Aug 18:41 |
| 3946 | onetom | A college class mate of mine had some nerv system issues. He was under medication. He already had a university diploma in physics but he wanted to get more practical programming experience so he attended to this college. Sometimes he forgot to take his pills. He was getting nervous at these times and he was insulting the teachers or other students, but in a very childish and mean way. I was around 26yrs old that time and he was 36. I remember once he got jealous about a couple walking happily on the street on a nice and sunny sunday afternoon. He just went to them and started to complain how can they be so liberated when there are so many problems in the world, etc etc | 4-Aug 18:35 |
| 3945 | onetom | My grandfather was an alcoholic, btw. For ~20years or so. He has been cured after several attempts and lives with us for 15+yrs already. He was actually pissing on the floor and saying ugly things sooo many times. We didn't like it of course, but we treated it as a challange and we succeed at the end. The root cause was my grandmother, btw... her attitude... | 4-Aug 18:31 |
| 3944 | onetom | s/him mind/his mind/ | 4-Aug 18:30 |
| 3943 | onetom | He made a lot of cool scripts... I feel bad about banning him, just because he has derailed in the past few years. I feel similarly sad about the situation and I can imagine how much desperation is trying to fuck him mind apart. I can imagine him coming back as a Red coder 2-3yrs from now actually... | 4-Aug 18:26 |
| 3942 | Kaj | The problem with voting systems is that they only work on large group sizes. And every separate discussion usually has a small group size. It also makes for discussions with holes in them | 4-Aug 13:33 |
| 3941 | Gabriele | From a technical standpoint, this is just AltME's shortcomings. If it just allowed to block users, or even to vote on messages etc. there would be no need for "bans" or anything like that. Of note, he does not bother me because I've been skipping his messages for a couple years already. So I don't even know what he's talking about. Still, I guess it would save me time not to have to skip messages. | 4-Aug 8:12 |
| 3940 | Geomol | "ignore lists" are useful sometimes. | 3-Aug 11:35 |
| 3939 | Dockimbel | I am for freedom of speech so, I am for tolerating trolls as long as they are, at least formally, respectful and not doing ad hominem attacks. But Alphe has gone outrageous since a while, and insulted people here (and from french forums too) and their work, beyond any logic and without any provocation. He seems motivated only by his own personal frustrations. I am for a formal banning (even if in practice, it probably won't be efficient). | 3-Aug 11:04 |
| 3938 | Pekr | Well, I tend to be negative too. But I at least don't spit on ppl, calling them names, while discouraging them from REBOL usage. IIRC, Terry was banned too. And from my pov, he was less harmful than Shadwolf is. When Shadwolf connects here, he floods various channels by very negative attitue. He even attacks guys as Doc, who is doing open-sourced work, which Shadwolf called for for so long. As for me, I am for ban. I like democracy, but otoh, Shadwolf is missusing our good will imo. OTOH we can always just let it be, he joins once per month or so, so let's welcome another few weeks without his attacking comments :-) | 3-Aug 8:41 |
| 3937 | Gabriele | I also think that destructive behavior should not be tolerated... | 3-Aug 8:11 |
| 3936 | Henrik | Basic troll feeding. Please move on. :-) | 3-Aug 7:45 |
| 3935 | Ladislav | "it's much better to leave these people ranting here" - that is where I disagree. He already excluded himself from this community, so we cannot do that. We just have to honour his own decision. | 3-Aug 7:02 |
| 3934 | Kaj | I've seen projects ripped apart by not keeping order | 3-Aug 1:35 |
| 3933 | Kaj | I admire your pain limit, but I'll agree with Ladislav. When a drunk pisses in your house, are you amused? These trolls willfully damage constructive communities | 3-Aug 1:34 |
| 3932 | Rebolek | Lad, you're just wasting your time analyzing a troll. I think that a troll is necesarry for any community as it helps strengthen the binds there. Individual opposition is understood, but bannning does imply opression and therefore troll's (in our case shadwolfs) win. So I think it's much better to leave these people ranting here than banning them. Also, sometimes it's fun to read them. Just for lolz, you know. | 3-Aug 0:49 |
| 3931 | Ladislav | When deciding, please keep in mind, that he did not fail to state he is not a member of this community. | 3-Aug 0:47 |
| 3930 | Ladislav | I was holding back for quite some time now. It was not the right approach, taking into account all the evidence available, so, here goes: To whom it may concern. Knowing, that Shadwolf does not consider himself a member of this community according to his own messages: * "I'm retired from rebol community" * "I'm announcing my retirement of this community." * "My hate toward rebol community has been growing up alot" * "I don't want to contribute to anything handled the rebol community way" , and knowing that he at least tried to insult all the members of this community, I have to ask: * What exactly it is we are waiting for to stop him spread his hatred to this community? * Why do we want to make his hatred to the community web-public? * Why do we want him to misuse the community communication channels to spread his hatred? | 3-Aug 0:38 |
| 3929 | Ladislav | "It's the kind of testimony that was really missing" - I thought that everyone here knows that (unless his fist name is Alphe, that is) | 2-Aug 23:05 |
| 3928 | nve | Great ! It's the kind of testimony that was really missing on REBOL main site. | 2-Aug 21:35 |
| 3927 | Endo | Education. About quick read and dyslexia. Ofcourse I could write in any other language. But it would not be that fun, and easy and quick. It would definitely take much more time. | 2-Aug 21:27 |
| 3926 | nve | +1 Endo. Great what kind of application ? | 2-Aug 20:37 |
| 3925 | Endo | I just wrote a REBOL application last week, in 6 hours, made 1500 $. So, yes we like REBOL, and we like this community. if you don't like, shadwolf, you really don't need to be here, write here, share your thoughts etc. | 2-Aug 17:22 |
| 3924 | Oldes | Dear wolf, leave as alone, please, there is no room in this cave. Go and find a new one. | 2-Aug 17:09 |
| 3923 | Ladislav | "RMA wasn't able to produce anything in a year" - lie | 2-Aug 11:28 |
| 3922 | shadwolf | if you don't know what to say then try to cry :) maybe from your helpless tears the rock hard heart of carl will melt and he will comeback and set a proper new impulse to this rebol you all love so much ... | 2-Aug 10:36 |
| 3921 | Pekr | If I would know what to say, I would say it :-) | 2-Aug 10:35 |
| 3920 | shadwolf | :et | 2-Aug 10:33 |
| 3919 | shadwolf | it's not idiotic reply it's just you lack the brains and the strength to recognise when you are wrong... So you like rebol desert it ... let it die then set up a fresh motion completly independent of all that was or could have been rebol... | 2-Aug 10:32 |
| 3918 | shadwolf | and Pekr I will do what I want to do as I want to do ... Without your permission. | 2-Aug 10:31 |
| 3917 | shadwolf | in what way logging here every day to post tons of messages will change anything ? That will make me see more gentle ? sorry I'm not gentle and I don't care if I hurt your feelings. That's a lack of respect from me ? how clever you are :) So what .? Ban me bit me ignoreme ijuriate me like you did the sorry truth will remain RMA wasn't able to produce anything in a year and this Pekr isn't quite completly Carl responsability ... So don't fool me I'm no fool | 2-Aug 10:29 |
| 3916 | Pekr | Shadwolf - I will tell it just shortly - save me from an idiotic replies like that I am very responsible for REBOL failure in general, please :-) I can make many predictions too, and I did some predictions. Everybody here knows, that without Carl's come-back, R3 core development is stagnating. We are surely not here to make a world take-over, those of us here are here because we like REBOL anyway, and it helps our lives here or there. So please - if you just want to log-in here once in few months, and then just post "I told you so" crap, then you can as well save us from such a stupid blathering ... | 2-Aug 10:25 |
| 3915 | shadwolf | so better things to do save me alot of desilusion and time lost and not participating... This is my decision and it's based on facts (recurant facts to be precise...) and on a logical process. | 2-Aug 10:15 |
| 3914 | shadwolf | now you can hide from the truth and invent the perfect world you think you have created but the truth still remain and more time pass worst gets the situation but ... Here is my next prediction in some more month lets say january 2012 Carl will make his triumphant comeback wich will mobelise you all and has the effect of killing the red community and action as none will contribute to red anymore it will be on stasis like all other intents to break free from RT | 2-Aug 10:14 |
| 3913 | shadwolf | as community we failled we failled to convince others to join us we even failled to convince the main God Guru to stay and keep doing things and why he don't do things nothing advance ... you can chit chat all you want about the bugs you find the way you want things to be done in the end since carl don't do them noone do them and that's just endless talk that even the first concerned stopped watching a long time ago guys think of it Carl 5 years ago invented a new Chat system to not have r3 project disrupted by altme blablering ... | 2-Aug 10:11 |
| 3912 | shadwolf | r3 GUI ? sleeping R3 sleeping RebCode ? who cares RebPlugin Webrowser? dead etc etc etc etc more the time pass and less form as Rebol ... And pekr this is your fault not only yours but you have a big responsability in it... | 2-Aug 10:06 |
| 3911 | shadwolf | I'm retired from rebol community this means no more me doing things and wasting my free time. I just come time to time to see if my prediction were accurate.. And so far so good please do me a favor keep doing nothing for rebol :) | 2-Aug 10:04 |
| 3910 | shadwolf | I will not apport to anything related from far or close to rebol in anyway I made myself clear... On the paper red is interesting but so was freebel and R-Sharp and Ghost etc... all of them lacked your implication and comitement Pekr to be something else than wanabe tries :) | 2-Aug 10:02 |
| 3909 | shadwolf | Pekr ... hum when I did things I never saw you push to help me ... So man same medecine applyed :) Red is made by the same people that as lead rebol to the nowhere nonexistant suspended animation it is actually. Sooo I said it to nemad he don't have to count on this community to make red something big he had to forge his own community the farest possible of this deserted playground... | 2-Aug 10:00 |
| 3908 | Pekr | Shadwolf - and what you suggest to do, to change the situation? You can surely help with RED in the meantime, as it is open sourced, and that's wha you have wished for all the long time ... | 2-Aug 9:53 |
| 3907 | shadwolf | wahoo even Pekr smiles at a joke about missing Carl !!! how desperate you should be ... Graham you should let me do those kind of jokes or you will end being the troll around | 2-Aug 9:28 |
| 3906 | Pekr | :-) | 2-Aug 9:18 |
| 3905 | GrahamC | Carl Sassenrath | 2-Aug 9:17 |
| 3904 | Pekr | That's nice :-) I do remember names like Jeff Kreis, Andrew Martin, Frank Sievertsen, Romano Paolo Tenca, and I also most probably forgot some other nice rebollers :-) | 2-Aug 7:45 |
| 3903 | Ladislav | Hi, Joel Neely has found some time to get back to REBOL scripting. Welcome back, Joel' | 2-Aug 7:42 |
| 3902 | Robert | Is anyone from the Rebol community in Dallas in the next days? | 25-Jul 15:38 |
| 3901 | Robert | Is anyone here living in San Francisco? I will be there a couple of days starting Wednesday 29th. If, and you are interested to meet, drop me a PM. Thans. | 26-Jun 14:40 |
| 3900 | GrahamC | oops .. see !Cheyenne group | 17-Jun 7:47 |
| 3899 | GrahamC | I write out httpd.cfg if it doesn't exist ... | 17-Jun 7:47 |
| 3898 | Maarten | I see no Cheyenne group. I have simple question: I want to embed- Cheyenne a la emned-demo.r then encap the resulting app including the httpd.cfg if possible. Anyone have some hints how to do that? | 17-Jun 6:31 |
| 3897 | PeterWood | Perhaps the divider could be moved below the All Groups divider? | 30-Oct-10 0:50 |
| 3896 | Carl | Updating AltME dividers to add R3 section. | 29-Oct-10 23:17 |
| 3895 | Graham | B&W .. I'll see if there are any switches to reduce the colours used | 27-Apr-10 1:05 |
| 3894 | Tomc | you might also be converting from two to too many colors | 27-Apr-10 1:01 |
| 3893 | Graham | That's probably it. The pdfs I'm talking about are pure text. | 26-Apr-10 19:37 |
| 3892 | Tomc | changing from vector to raster? | 26-Apr-10 17:33 |
| 3891 | Graham | this is a bit sad ... creating "thumbnails" of an 8kb pdf results in 2 x 20 - 40 kb jpgs | 26-Apr-10 9:55 |
| 3890 | btiffin | surreal | 14-Apr-10 4:59 |
| 3889 | Maxim | still the sheer eeriness of the polish event is mind boggling. all the parameters are perfect for a conspiracy theory ;-/ | 12-Apr-10 19:53 |
| 3888 | Maxim | Robert, I agree... and I am sure many military did what they could... a few probably went AWOL, but I am sure the UN peacekeepers (what a stupid name) where as affraid of being killed, if they intervened, as any. thing is, if any of the UN military got actively involved, it would have made Every other UN unit a target for the mob. remember, we are talking about thousands of armed people running like madmen, screaming everywhere and you are right in the swarm... I don't think four guys in a APC with 200 bullets each are eager to intervene in such circumstances. They could shoot to kill only if directly attacked. | 12-Apr-10 19:52 |
| 3887 | Pekr | As seen in the Hotel Rwanda, we are facing total hypocricy of the western world. So we know how to chase Saddam for almost no apparent reason (the second attempt), yet we ignore genocide of such an amount of victims ... | 12-Apr-10 19:45 |
| 3886 | Ladislav | I bet you would care, there is nothing else you can do in such situations. | 12-Apr-10 19:43 |
| 3885 | Robert | (easy to say now) but in such a situation I wouldn't care about "the right to intervene" and just do it. In Serbia this could have saved 8000 people as well. | 12-Apr-10 19:41 |
| 3884 | Maxim | wrt Rwanda, imagine being a UN "observer" (military) and not having the right to intervene, when people & kids are being hacked to death all around you. A while ago, I was in the company of such a guy who came back from a 3 month mission there. The only way I can describe him was that he was barely alive. I am only aware of him sleeping 30-60 minutes in the 3 days he was with our gang. | 12-Apr-10 19:34 |
| 3883 | Robert | So, Cyphre, yes, I agree. And the worst is, that children are the victims without a lobby, without a chance. They were not asked to be born and fully depend on the responsibility of others. | 12-Apr-10 19:22 |
| 3882 | Robert | History shows, that culture is only a very thin layer. And a lot of people on this planet seem to have a problem with human rights and freedom. | 12-Apr-10 19:19 |
| 3881 | Robert | Knowing not being able to change the world, I at least try to help. I took over a direct sponsorship for two children. | 12-Apr-10 19:17 |
| 3880 | Gregg | Sad news indeed. And there are a number of movies about the Rwandan genocide. I've watched at least three. | 12-Apr-10 18:20 |
| 3879 | Pekr | I think I saw the movie, but dunno if it was related - Hotel Rwanda - terrible things ... but you know what? There's no oil, so why send a warfare there ... | 12-Apr-10 17:37 |
| 3878 | Cyphre | They managed such terrible thing mostly only with machetes...at rate 8000 murders per day...I still can't find any words when thinking about that :-/ | 12-Apr-10 13:12 |
| 3877 | Cyphre | that was in 1994 year | 12-Apr-10 13:06 |
| 3876 | Cyphre | "Over the course of approximately 100 days, or more, from the assassination of Juvénal Habyarimana on April 6 through mid-July, at least 800,000 people were killed, according to the estimate of Human Rights Watch." | 12-Apr-10 13:06 |
| 3875 | Cyphre | It makes me sad that even in our days there are places on earth where 22 thousands of deaths is 'drop in the sea' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide | 12-Apr-10 13:04 |
| 3874 | Pekr | Yes, they simply eradicated all polish elite. This was an ultra-crime, and Poland will not forget it anytime soon. They were also first post-communistic country, who sacked russian army from their country IIRC. | 12-Apr-10 9:16 |
| 3873 | Ladislav | (I heard, recently, that as far as Katyn goes, there were about 22 thousands polish elites, and about 500 czechs too) | 12-Apr-10 9:12 |
| 3872 | Ladislav | Yes, that illustrates, that Hitler was not the only one mass-murdering people during WW II. | 12-Apr-10 9:11 |
| 3871 | Pekr | I see it as a security risk, to allow such many important ppl to have on one plane. Sad event, I live 5 km from Poland border, we have many ppl with polish nationality here, we bear with them. And also strange symbol - they travelled to Russia because of past Katyn event, where Stalin killed 20 thousands of polish nationality - top politicians, military ppl, teachers, etc. - simply they killed polish elite of that time ... | 12-Apr-10 7:19 |
| 3870 | Maxim | and reports are that its the president's direct fault, since he ordered the pilot to ignore requests by the control tower which told them to stop landing and go to another airport, because of heavy fog. | 12-Apr-10 5:59 |
| 3869 | Maxim | a plane crashed, carrying the president and many top level govt. staff: "The fiery crash killed off a wide cross-section of Poland’s most important political, military and financial figures, many of them heroes of the anti-communist struggle." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-dramatic-end-to-a-divided-era-in-modern-polands-history/article1530957/ | 12-Apr-10 5:57 |
| 3868 | AdrianS | you didn't hear about the president and top military brass dying in the plane crash? | 12-Apr-10 5:56 |
| 3867 | Reichart | Brian, I probably missed somethnig simple, but what happened in Poland? | 12-Apr-10 5:53 |
| 3866 | btiffin | Excuse the lack of "and Russian" above, mistake. | 12-Apr-10 3:10 |
| 3865 | btiffin | Condolences to those rebols from Poland. How do you deal with a loss that heavy? Best of. | 12-Apr-10 3:08 |
| 3864 | Maxim | you probably all are aware that there is a way to electronically divert funds without the originator or destination being aware of it while doing a xfer... the end result being that money has "disapeared" from both accounts. you need to be on location, but still with a bit of access, its very easy to break the system. | 9-Feb-10 18:48 |
| 3863 | TomBon | true but another very interesting theme without any broad public notice is SWIFT. unbelievable what there is going on if you digg a little bit deeper. | 9-Feb-10 18:44 |
| 3862 | Robert | They use one fat Oracle server, that has some bugs and is not patched correctly so that everyone can grab some data, burn it and sell it. | 7-Feb-10 20:34 |
| 3861 | Robert | Is it only me wondering about IT security concepts in banks since every week new tax dodger CDs are sold to the government? | 7-Feb-10 20:33 |
| 3860 | Maxim | then I'd have an even higher count hehehe (I have a reputation for long posts ;-) | 7-Jan-10 19:26 |
| 3859 | Sunanda | A better measure might be words [or bytes] posted rather than total posts.....Some people post every new line (understandable given AltME's post-losing abilities) and that boosts their post count over those of us who.... ....use multi-paragraph posts. [That's a hint for you and your 2010 aspirations, Graham ;)] Still, however it is measured, we have worthy champions. | 7-Jan-10 8:18 |
| 3858 | Maxim | well, for the last year I guess. | 7-Jan-10 6:20 |
| 3857 | Maxim | yay!!! it actually was a goal of mine for this year ;-) | 7-Jan-10 6:20 |
| 3856 | Graham | Eh? I want out!! Spend way too much time posting. | 2-Jan-10 19:08 |
| 3855 | Sunanda | Stats start appearing after 500 or so posts. Good luck, Graham! | 2-Jan-10 11:54 |
| 3854 | Graham | I'm aiming to get out of the top 3 for 2010 | 2-Jan-10 10:28 |
| 3853 | Graham | no stats for 2010 | 2-Jan-10 10:28 |
| 3852 | BrianH | Guess you've been busy this year :) | 2-Jan-10 10:27 |
| 3851 | Graham | oh well, I was top poster for 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 ... lol | 2-Jan-10 10:26 |
| 3850 | BrianH | He's been posting a lot lately, especially in the R3 groups and his project groups. | 2-Jan-10 10:24 |
| 3849 | Graham | Sunanda, I think you should exclude all the non-rebol groups ... | 2-Jan-10 10:22 |
| 3848 | Graham | This is bizarre .. he's hardly ever here. | 2-Jan-10 10:21 |
| 3847 | BrianH | Possible nominee for user.r REBOL of the Year for 2010, if he keeps things up the way he's been going lately :) | 2-Jan-10 9:20 |
| 3846 | Steeve | Who's Maxim ? | 2-Jan-10 9:17 |
| 3845 | Steeve | I'm not bad :-) | 2-Jan-10 9:12 |
| 3844 | BrianH | And of just how active we are - that's a lot of posts. | 2-Jan-10 8:52 |
| 3843 | Sunanda | Congratualtions to Maxim -- most prolific poster of 2009 in the [web-public] groups of this world. And to BrianH as a close runner up:
http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-stats.r?world=r3wp&year=2009 Over 36,000 posts from just over 100 people.....It's an indication of the size of the active REBOL developers' community. | 2-Jan-10 8:40 |
| 3842 | Carl | Heading back to R3 Chat "world". Have a good weekend all. | 30-Oct-09 20:57 |
| 3841 | Carl | Thanks.... that's a good place for it. | 30-Oct-09 20:08 |
| 3840 | Henrik | There was a lot written in R3 Chat. | 30-Oct-09 20:07 |
| 3839 | Carl | So... where's the "marketing discusson".... I want to read the comments on it. | 30-Oct-09 20:06 |
| 3838 | BudzinskiC | Ah great, much better now :) | 29-Oct-09 19:10 |
| 3837 | Sunanda | Looks like the code snippet formating at REBOLtutorial is fixed now. | 29-Oct-09 18:06 |
| 3836 | Sunanda | re reboltutorial.....it looks like a CSS typo rather than a (bad!) design decision. (The site has just changed hosts, and had a complete makeover....there are some tweaks and bug fixesstill needed). I've send him what I think is the fix, but it looks like reboltutorial is having a short post-move break. | 29-Oct-09 6:36 |
| 3835 | BudzinskiC | Yeah I skimmed over a few of the reboltutorial articles. Why are the code snippets there all on one line? Makes it really hard to read. | 28-Oct-09 22:14 |
| 3834 | BudzinskiC | XD Is there also an implementation of lolcode? (lolcat like language, I can haz a hamburger?) | 28-Oct-09 22:14 |
| 3833 | Maxim | rebol tutorial has a twitter api under 10 lines IIRC | 28-Oct-09 22:11 |
| 3832 | Geomol | There is REBOL implementation of Brainfuck, if you wanna reconsider: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/rebol/language/bf.r | 28-Oct-09 22:11 |
| 3831 | BudzinskiC | In Hackety Hack (an app that teaches Ruby programming to kids) one of the first examples was how to use Ruby to mash up YouTube with the iTunes Top 10 music titles. You ended up getting a list of music videos for those top ten songs. It was just 5 lines or so and was pretty cool. I wrote an article a year ago teaching Shoes (a Ruby GUI toolkit) that mashed up YouTube with Twitter to show you videos of the current buzz on the net. Something like that is pretty easy, takes just a few lines, but the results are actually usable and fun. | 28-Oct-09 22:09 |
| 3830 | BudzinskiC | Wow that list is long :) Brainfuck.. I tried that once. I don't remember it fondly.. XD | 28-Oct-09 22:06 |
| 3829 | BudzinskiC | As for the code golfing, it might also be a good idea to use popular topics as a theme. A puzzle that makes use of an API like Twitter, YouTube, Flickr, Facebook etc. REBOL seems to be pretty good in the internet/Network department, so why not make use of it? Those websites are popular for a reason. This could also end up producing some more libraries to easily use REBOL with popular APIs. | 28-Oct-09 22:05 |
| 3828 | Pekr | :-) | 28-Oct-09 22:04 |
| 3827 | Pekr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages | 28-Oct-09 22:04 |
| 3826 | Maxim | hehe | 28-Oct-09 22:03 |
| 3825 | BudzinskiC | Can't say that I've heard of Turbo C, so far I've only tried 38 languages, there are just too many to know them all :) | 28-Oct-09 22:03 |
| 3824 | Maxim | (if you don't know what Turbo C is ... well ... then I guess you never knew the world without the internet ;-) | 28-Oct-09 21:59 |
| 3823 | Maxim | I've even seen a karaoke version using tones and bouncing ball DOS graphics in the wee days of turbo C :-D | 28-Oct-09 21:58 |
| 3822 | Maxim | (or longer, or written backwards, or using an online translator in real-time, ;-) | 28-Oct-09 21:56 |
| 3821 | BudzinskiC | Why not use easy puzzles then, then you don't need experts. Codegolf.com has a lot of really easy puzzles that everyone can solve, the focus lies more on how you solve them, not if you solve them and personally I like that approach better than bashing my head against the table for hours until I can finally start writing code. I really liked the 99 bottles of beer puzzle for example. You don't have to think about how you can solve it at all. You could just use a single print statement that outputs the lyrics in one go. The thinking comes when you try to make the code smaller. | 28-Oct-09 20:39 |
| 3820 | Sunanda | [continuing a discussion from Core].....The occasional code golf type quiz can be fun, but only if the enough of the expert REBOLers have time to drop by and try their hand. Generally, I think they are more likely to respond to real problems rather than quizzes, but I am happy to be proved wrong. BC – if you have an idea or two for a good round of Golf, we could start with a couple of new [web-public] groups here....It would not quite be as nice a website as (say) http://golf.shinh.org/ but it would help gather the requirements and gauge the interest in a REBOL golf website. | 28-Oct-09 15:33 |
| 3819 | Sunanda | Thanks for leaping to his aid, Henrik. | 28-Oct-09 15:33 |
| 3818 | Henrik | seems to be another case of the installer not being run. | 27-Oct-09 19:45 |
| 3817 | Sunanda | Win XP user having trouble installing REBOL -- can anyone help? http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,4428.0.html | 27-Oct-09 19:32 |
| 3816 | Pekr | I think it is not all that good activity of Reboltutorial. He missuses SO for marketing purposes, and it got noticed. It is like I would ask questions there and send you over there to answer them for me ... | 23-Sep-09 16:32 |
| 3815 | Sunanda | Greg Higley has asked a few REBOL questions on Stackoverflow.
http://stackoverflow.com/users/27779/gregory-higley
It looks like just him and Reboltutorial are trialing Stackoverflow as a place for REBOL questions. I am not convinced the competitive points scoring paradigm of Stackoverflow currently fits the more "amicable experts" character of the REBOL-specific forums that exist. I will attempt to answer questions on Stackoverflow as I am also critical of the somewhat unoutreaching character of most REBOL-specific forums [darknet / gated communities are terms that have been used]. But I am not greatly hopeful that Stackoverflow will become the premier destination site for REBOL questions.... ....Thus leading to the obvious question: what should be that site? Maybe it is time to build it! | 23-Sep-09 15:41 |
| 3814 | Maxim | I didn't look at all the names... but I did notice a few names I had never seen before... the few times I went to that site... after posting this I saw that most of the replies where from known REBOL experts. I guess its attracting some people, maybe not as much as I initially imagined... | 23-Sep-09 7:01 |
| 3813 | Geomol | "is it just me or is stack overflow generating a hell of a lot of new users for the language?" As I see it, it's mostly the same person asking REBOL questions on stackoverflow, the reboltutorial guy. How did you come to the conclusion with lots of new users? | 23-Sep-09 6:59 |
| 3812 | BrianH | But coming here takes some doing. It is best to motivate people to do so - being cool usually works. | 23-Sep-09 0:44 |
| 3811 | Maxim | IMO coming here and asking newbie questions is the same s asking them elsewhere. | 23-Sep-09 0:39 |
| 3810 | Maxim | and many don't learn by reading references.... rebol is after all more inclined to the technically savy and those on the other spectrum. | 23-Sep-09 0:38 |
| 3809 | Maxim | not every one is a developper by trade. | 23-Sep-09 0:37 |
| 3808 | BrianH | So, this is just an advocacy problem. Be nice to them there, and they'll be more likely to come here eventually. | 23-Sep-09 0:37 |
| 3807 | Steeve | But they don't use the mailing list or the official documentation either. Most of their problems are well known. | 23-Sep-09 0:35 |
| 3806 | Maxim | having more that one channel is ok, nothing wrong with rebol being more spread out. | 23-Sep-09 0:33 |
| 3805 | Steeve | Don't know why they don't come here instead | 23-Sep-09 0:32 |
| 3804 | Maxim | is it just me or is stack overflow generating a hell of a lot of new users for the language? | 23-Sep-09 0:32 |
| 3803 | Steeve | I don't like that sort of question about parse. We don't know the output the guy wants. Instead, we try to guess the output by reading his dirty code. boring.... | 23-Sep-09 0:12 |
| 3802 | Sunanda | Perhaps someone else could have a go at answering some of the outstanding and/or poorly answered questions regarding REBOL: http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=rebol&tab=newest | 22-Sep-09 22:53 |
| 3801 | Graham | Stop answering him! | 22-Sep-09 19:55 |
| 3800 | Sunanda | Am I a spammer? Perhaps the truth is out there: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/23017/am-i-a-spammer | 22-Sep-09 16:23 |
| 3799 | Gregg | Nice Doc. | 28-Aug-09 21:07 |
| 3798 | Graham | Nice. | 26-Aug-09 20:11 |
| 3797 | Pekr | Sounds so cool :-) I was just in need to produce simple scheduler for power-point replay of multiple files, so I will look into your script :-) | 26-Aug-09 17:17 |
| 3796 | Dockimbel | Comments & bug reports (here, for now) are welcome. | 26-Aug-09 17:16 |
| 3795 | Dockimbel | Btw, it started as a simple extension for UniServe kernel, but I was keeping adding features...now it might have a broader usage, so I decided to release it as a standalone library. | 26-Aug-09 17:15 |
| 3794 | Dockimbel | Scheduler library released (see Announce channel). A few words about that : - it allows you to program deferred tasks (like night batchs or short-term tasks like sending a mail in 10 minute from now). - it's feature-close to CRON or QUARTZ java library (not covering 100% yet). - it needs a lot of additional testing before using it in production for critical tasks. - some issues are not yet addressed like tasks execution overlapping over other tasks events, daylight saving gaps or system time changes. - minimum delay between 2 events is 1 second. - maximum delay between 2 events is 9999 hours (a little more than a year) - event loop is currently a custom one, next version will add 'do-events patching for a easier and more transparent integration with View or network apps. | 26-Aug-09 17:13 |
| 3793 | Pekr | Interesting - maybe he used some free low-level code? | 7-Aug-09 15:39 |
| 3792 | Sunanda | [I'm sure I posted this a few days ago....Perhaps the resync bug ate it] On the R3 Alpha page, Carl name checks a couple of Windows sandboxes: Sandboxie and DropMyRights. Anyone have experience of using these? http://www.rebol.net/wiki/R3_Alpha | 7-Aug-09 15:38 |
| 3791 | Graham | And what is Pekr going to use for the next Devcon?? :) | 6-Jul-09 23:00 |
| 3790 | Graham | What was used for the devcons? | 6-Jul-09 23:00 |
| 3789 | Graham | videolan server? | 6-Jul-09 23:00 |
| 3788 | Graham | videolan ? | 6-Jul-09 22:59 |
| 3787 | Graham | What's the easiest way to setup streaming audio on the net? | 6-Jul-09 22:59 |
| 3786 | Robert | BTW: I', living in the city where the Bycicle was invented. Overall, it seems that mobility is an important topic here. Karl Benz was born in Karlsruhe as well. And the world's first "car" drive was just around the corner... | 23-May-09 7:51 |
| 3785 | Chris | Designed by someone with a dark sense of humour? | 22-May-09 12:15 |
| 3784 | Sunanda | Though, as this collection of photos show, not all of it is world class: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/site-map.htm | 22-May-09 8:01 |
| 3783 | Sunanda | Unflat countries can make some effort too (see map -- it's a 35.meg PDF linked to from thism page): http://www.sustrans.co.uk/what-we-do/national-cycle-network | 22-May-09 7:57 |
| 3782 | Graham | the country is flat ... | 22-May-09 7:51 |
| 3781 | Maarten | Bicycle paths... you should see it in Amsterdam or any Dutch city. | 22-May-09 7:14 |
| 3780 | Maxim | and yes... seasons are a constant race ;-) | 22-May-09 4:03 |
| 3779 | Maxim | yep if you stray to far from montreal... english weeds out pretty quick.. a part from the eastern townships... which basically follow the US border. | 22-May-09 4:03 |
| 3778 | RobertS | 2 of my 3 children born in Montreal but both declined to go to U. there ... I don't get back often ... I always found spring too short: a long winter and suddenly its summer and hot and muggy (not like St Louis or Memphis, but still ...) Fall was usually great - and biking and skiing in the Laurentides - I started out in Levis, but only spent one summer at U. Laval ... in German - and one summer in college up in Lac St Jean (no English spoken up there ! ) | 22-May-09 3:59 |
| 3777 | Maxim | its probably the most culturally-oriented city in all of canada. | 22-May-09 1:44 |
| 3776 | Maxim | visiting montreal in the summer is really cool, there are festivals back to back for 3 months, sometimes there are 2-3 major events overlapping in the schedule. | 22-May-09 1:43 |
| 3775 | Maxim | hehehe | 22-May-09 1:42 |
| 3774 | Chris | (and I have an abundance of legs...) | 22-May-09 1:41 |
| 3773 | Chris | I can believe it... | 22-May-09 1:41 |
| 3772 | Maxim | too bad there's no F1 this year... (in montreal) we won't be able to walk on ferrari street for a whole week... imagine, its been said by pilots, that montreal was the favorite spot for partying on the F1 championship after monaco. | 22-May-09 1:40 |
| 3771 | Maxim | and grow legs :-D | 22-May-09 1:38 |
| 3770 | Chris | (been there - GV on race day : ) | 22-May-09 1:37 |
| 3769 | Maxim | yep... get a mountain bike ;-) | 22-May-09 1:37 |
| 3768 | Chris | iirc, Montreal is somewhat hilly - is there some accomodation for this in the design of the paths? | 22-May-09 1:37 |
| 3767 | Maxim | and where I use my race-bike is on the Formula 1 race track... on circuit Gilles-Villeneuve which is reserved for walking, cycling, and skating. its one of the few places on the island where you are allowed to go well over 40km/h on your bike without getting speeding fines :-) | 22-May-09 1:37 |
| 3766 | Maxim | and some paths actually go for like 80km from top to bottom... in the state, we even have regional paths crossing entire regions... everywhere... you can litterally pedal several hundred kilometers in a pretty straight line many directions :-) | 22-May-09 1:34 |
| 3765 | Maxim | so its more than 350 km of cycling paths, finally... checked it up :-) | 22-May-09 1:32 |
| 3764 | Maxim | and we really have quite a selection of pretty women ;-) ... people from the states coming in for training sessions, always marvel at how women here are at ease, varied in style, and usually pretty charming. | 22-May-09 1:31 |
| 3763 | Maxim | and quebec, the province (state), still has one of the lowest cost of life in the developped countries. taxes are balanced, between socialism oriented services and capitalism oriented "let people spend money into the economy to let it go round and round. | 22-May-09 1:29 |
| 3762 | Maxim | montreal and quebec city really are nice cities, in that they share many typical north american traits and other more european qualities (especially quebec city) | 22-May-09 1:27 |
| 3761 | Maxim | IIRC they are something like 500km of bicycle paths, but I could be really off. | 22-May-09 1:25 |
| 3760 | Maxim | montreal claims to have the most bicycle paths in any north american city. we even are closing streets and completely removing parking downtown for bicycle lanes. note montreal is a 365 day/year bicycle city... that include when there are blizzards, litterally :-) they have winter tires with studs for sale during the winter :-) people are just nuts. | 22-May-09 1:24 |
| 3759 | Maxim | funny, the town next to mine (8 miles away is called napierville :-) | 22-May-09 1:21 |
| 3758 | Graham | One of the new initiatives to "fight" the depression here is to build a cycle way from the top of the country to the bottom. I expect though you'll still have to catch the ferry to get across Cook Strait. | 22-May-09 1:19 |
| 3757 | Chris | And of course, half the traffic are huge trucks or SUVs. And noone thinks twice about opening a car door on you as you pass a parked car... I expect every city you have to be agressive to cycle consistently. I do envy those that live in cities that encourage cycling - evident in the Copenhagen pics above... | 22-May-09 0:31 |
| 3756 | Chris | It's definitely not cycle friendly (though I do every day) - the few cycle lanes that exist are like sick jokes with sudden dead ends and lines that traffic generally treat as optional, or parking lanes. | 22-May-09 0:26 |
| 3755 | Chris | Birmingham (Alabama) is even by US standards, a new city. Designed around the placement of a railroad junction where in the hills there was a confluence of iron ore, coal and limestone. It's a grid system as much as the hills flanking it permit. The hills - long ridges at the tippy-tail of the Appalachians - form a stark barrier between the town and the spidery suburbs. | 22-May-09 0:24 |
| 3754 | Chris | H: I visited your part of Denmark once about as far back my memory goes, not exactly sure how close to where you are, but I have some vivid images of some beautiful places... | 22-May-09 0:14 |
| 3753 | BrianH | Geomol, I live in Chicago, on the north edge near the lake. My parents live in Naperville (moved there when they retired. | 21-May-09 22:44 |
| 3752 | Henrik | http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5297916 Close to what I would see if I looked out the window. Taken in the winter, so it doesn't look as good as in the summer. | 21-May-09 19:37 |
| 3751 | Henrik | I've only been there once. It was enjoyable, but I prefer my homeland a little west from there. :-) | 21-May-09 19:31 |
| 3750 | Geomol | :-) | 21-May-09 19:29 |
| 3749 | Izkata | Looks like an interesting place.. And I can definitely believe that about GPS from the maps | 21-May-09 19:28 |
| 3748 | Henrik | yes | 21-May-09 19:25 |
| 3747 | Izkata | Copenhagen Denmark? | 21-May-09 19:24 |
| 3746 | Henrik | Geomol, I think it's because of our road system that GPS is so popular. | 21-May-09 19:23 |
| 3745 | Geomol | I've found Bartlett too, a little north of Naperville. | 21-May-09 19:16 |
| 3744 | Geomol | Ok, I've found Naperville at Google maps, and you live north in what area? | 21-May-09 19:12 |
| 3743 | BrianH | Naperville came first, then Chicago. Many of the suburbs started out as villiages or farming communities - the rest are filler. The grid is no more than 150 years old at most. | 21-May-09 19:07 |
| 3742 | Geomol | What the oldes parts of US cities? The city or suburbs? If it's the city, why wasn't the grid just continued? Or maybe the suburbs are old villages and the city came later? | 21-May-09 19:04 |
| 3741 | BrianH | Most of the outer suburbs are laid out at random. The city is a grid, with some occasional diagonal weirdness for indian trails. | 21-May-09 19:01 |
| 3740 | Izkata | Winding roads in a city make it more fun to explore - "Wait a minute, how'd we get over here?" | 21-May-09 19:01 |
| 3739 | Geomol | Our cities are not lined up like yours. Ours are just a mess of roads going in all directions. :-) It's because our cities are maybe 1000 years old, and the roads were never straighten. I've heard, some danes find the US way more practical and makes it easier to travel around. Others find our way more charming. | 21-May-09 19:00 |
| 3738 | Geomol | Yes, Copenhagen is pretty flat: http://www.copenhagenet.dk/Images/KBH-Copenhagen.jpg Not like Chicago: http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect6/chicago2.jpg :-) | 21-May-09 18:57 |
| 3737 | BrianH | 8 blocks = 1 mile. | 21-May-09 18:56 |
| 3736 | Izkata | The scale on Google Maps looks like most are around 400 feet, but there's the river that messes it up, and some locations have a slightly different layout... Unfortunately, that's the best I can do | 21-May-09 18:56 |
| 3735 | Geomol | Are all blocks 500 yards or something, or is it different from place to place? | 21-May-09 18:53 |
| 3734 | Izkata | A friend from Texas got confused once, because apparently we're one of the few places in the US that measures distance in units of time. I'd never even thought much of it. | 21-May-09 18:53 |
| 3733 | Henrik | I often hear "a couple of blocks away" in US TV shows, but I have no idea how big a block is. :-) | 21-May-09 18:51 |
| 3732 | Izkata | Er, what size is standard size? | 21-May-09 18:51 |
| 3731 | Izkata | How standard is standard size? | 21-May-09 18:51 |
| 3730 | Izkata | Well, my roommate and a friend did bike from IIT to O'Hare and back once - from Midnight to about 8 AM | 21-May-09 18:50 |
| 3729 | Geomol | Is a block a standard size? | 21-May-09 18:50 |
| 3728 | BrianH | Yeah, loop traffic is a little to scary for your averave biker. That's why every bike messenger I know is likely clinically insane :) | 21-May-09 18:50 |
| 3727 | Izkata | at least in/around the Loop | 21-May-09 18:47 |
| 3726 | Izkata | Or walking, but it generally seems too crowded for bikes | 21-May-09 18:46 |
| 3725 | BrianH | People tend to either use cars or public trans, but less often both. Neighborhoods with easy access to public trans (particularly trains) tend to not have parking, and vice versa. I live in a rare neighborhood with both. | 21-May-09 18:45 |
| 3724 | Geomol | Kind of the same is going on here. Parking is getting more and more expensive to get the cars out of the city. It's free to use the roads though. You only pay, if you cross the large bridge to go to Fyn and Jutland. I use a motorbike, train/bus or bike. It's free to park a motorbike, so less exensive. | 21-May-09 18:43 |
| 3723 | Henrik | I suppose the amount of highrises in Chicago creates a different street environment than Copenhagen, that AFAIR is a very flat city. | 21-May-09 18:42 |