| # | User | Message | Date |
| 2780 | Oldes | (I should update the Notepad++ as well) | 7-Dec 23:26 |
| 2779 | Oldes | btw... the original is here http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html | 7-Dec 23:25 |
| 2778 | Oldes | Yes... but now you must manualy set REBOL language for color coding. | 7-Dec 23:22 |
| 2777 | Geomol | Scite, first product to support World Programming Language!? :) | 7-Dec 23:18 |
| 2776 | Geomol | :) Good to hear. | 4-Dec 20:34 |
| 2775 | Gregg | Works here John. Woohoo! | 4-Dec 20:25 |
| 2774 | Pekr | I would feel like in post-apocalyptic Terminator scenario - calling ppl to start Skynet attack :-) | 4-Dec 11:03 |
| 2773 | Geomol | :D | 4-Dec 11:01 |
| 2772 | GrahamC | He has a ham radio call sign ... call him up! | 4-Dec 10:57 |
| 2771 | Pekr | yeah, R3 chat is down for several months. Personal email nor feedback message were enough for Carl to find 1 minute to start the server. | 4-Dec 10:35 |
| 2770 | Pekr | Pity Carl resumes his hobby, and still leaves whole community without a single word of explanation for 13 months already: http://mendoradio.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/resuming-the-mendoradio-blog/ | 4-Dec 10:34 |
| 2769 | Oldes | It depends if you can... I think Carl is not reading most of his channels. | 4-Dec 10:33 |
| 2768 | Geomol | Maybe I should? | 4-Dec 10:31 |
| 2767 | Oldes | Pekr: maybe someone can inform Carl :) | 4-Dec 10:30 |
| 2766 | Geomol | Good point. I'll change it right away. | 4-Dec 9:45 |
| 2765 | Robert | Make it as simple as possible. | 4-Dec 9:44 |
| 2764 | Geomol | Well, yes, but people are kinda forces to read the README as it is now. :) I don't know. Will think about it. | 4-Dec 9:39 |
| 2763 | james_nak | It would save a step and some thought. | 4-Dec 9:38 |
| 2762 | Geomol | On the other hand, from the names as it is now, it's easy to see, what version is for which OS. | 4-Dec 9:38 |
| 2761 | Geomol | Maybe that's better? | 4-Dec 9:37 |
| 2760 | Robert | Why not make it an EXE directly? | 4-Dec 9:36 |
| 2759 | Geomol | Ok, thanks for the suggestion. | 4-Dec 9:35 |
| 2758 | james_nak | Geomol, perhaps you could add for example "rename as 'world.exe' " BTW, working here on XP | 4-Dec 9:34 |
| 2757 | Geomol | Information is in the README | 4-Dec 9:33 |
| 2756 | Geomol | The .dat files are the binaries. Rename one to "world" and make it executable. | 4-Dec 9:32 |
| 2755 | Pekr | no binaries in therer? Should I download sources, and build? | 4-Dec 9:30 |
| 2754 | james_nak | Congratulations Geomol. That was a lot of work over what seems like a few days. | 4-Dec 9:26 |
| 2753 | Geomol | (I just made some minor changes to the release, so get it again, if you already got it.) | 4-Dec 9:25 |
| 2752 | Geomol | Sure, but I would like first to have some of you guys confirm, that the release can be downloaded and works. | 4-Dec 9:19 |
| 2751 | Pekr | Congratulation to the World release :-) Now we can inform OSNews.com, right? :-) | 4-Dec 9:16 |
| 2750 | Sunanda | Thanks -- it was Reichart's idea that we have a visual marker for these languages. Thanls to their developers for agreeing to the name change. | 29-Nov 20:46 |
| 2749 | BrianH | #Good idea, Sunanda :) | 29-Nov 20:34 |
| 2748 | NickA | Thank you :) (altme hadn't quite finished loading messages on a new machine - blush :) | 29-Nov 3:43 |
| 2747 | BrianH | Nick, check the World group. | 29-Nov 3:34 |
| 2746 | Robert | I expect it to be a bit like Lua. | 25-Nov 17:21 |
| 2745 | Sunanda | The World language now has its own discussion group. If you are reading this on the web archive, the posts continue here: http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp871x0 | 25-Nov 15:44 |
| 2744 | Henrik | Cyphre has his JIT thing, but am not sure how far he has come with it. | 25-Nov 15:16 |
| 2743 | Pekr | Steeve - and where's your REBOL clone? Nowadays it seems all REBOL gurus are coming with one. Should I expect Ladislav and Cyphre enter the game? :-) | 25-Nov 15:15 |
| 2742 | Steeve | Even so, it should not be imposssible to replace the inner bytecode with straigth machine language. I'm pretty sure Geomol deeply anticipated both use cases. Why ? Because I would have likewise :) | 25-Nov 15:12 |
| 2741 | Steeve | It says it uses a VM though, so it must be some bytecode language | 25-Nov 15:03 |
| 2740 | Steeve | No, there is just too little informations currently | 25-Nov 15:01 |
| 2739 | Pekr | I don't know - the only info is here - http://world-lang.org/ , maybe it tells more to someone more competent than me :-) | 25-Nov 14:59 |
| 2738 | Steeve | compiled into bytecodes (a la java) or machine languages ? | 25-Nov 14:42 |
| 2737 | Pekr | Hopefully Geomol will tease us each day with a bits of a new info. Today we learned there is a compilation :-) | 25-Nov 14:31 |
| 2736 | Endo | PeterWoo: REBOL is the key to all others. The red pill. The root of all :) Pekr: Nope, we don't at all. We need to wait for Geomol. | 25-Nov 14:08 |
| 2735 | Pekr | We don't know anything about a World yet, or do we? :-) | 25-Nov 14:05 |
| 2734 | PeterWood | I don't think that World is a hobby project, it is like Boron, Red and Topaz which I believe are being developed to meet the authors want for a tool that meets their specific needs. And was REBOL itself so different? | 25-Nov 13:48 |
| 2733 | Pekr | Interesting anyway, because Boron is a more classical REBOL (architecture wise, and well, just my wild guess), Topaz is very different aproach, and RED takes different aproach too. But maybe it was in a making even before Topaz and Red were announced, who knows. And maybe it is just a hobby project :-) | 25-Nov 13:45 |
| 2732 | PeterWood | Only Geomol knows the main goal of his project though I woud guess it is not disimilar to that of Boron, Red and Topaz. | 25-Nov 13:43 |
| 2731 | Pekr | Maybe. Anyway - it is a bit confusing name, as we know Altme Worlds. Maybe a World language woul be better, but - dunno ... | 25-Nov 13:43 |
| 2730 | Endo | Pekr: yep, thats right. PeterWoo: the important thing is what is the main goal of this project. | 25-Nov 13:34 |
| 2729 | Geomol | I've contacted an adm about that. Shouldn't it be "World" without '!', as those are for projects written in REBOL? | 25-Nov 13:33 |
| 2728 | Pekr | I think that if World is a real project, we should make a !World group here | 25-Nov 13:30 |
| 2727 | PeterWood | By the way, Boron is pretty stable though some people find its strict left-to-right evaluation frustrating. | 25-Nov 12:46 |
| 2726 | PeterWood | World is written in C. The Red bootstrap is being written in REBOL. This may explain why Geomol didn't fork Red. Boron is written in C but is an evaluator like REBOL rather than a JIT compiler. | 25-Nov 12:45 |
| 2725 | Endo | It's good to have more options, especially if they have different approaches. Topaz is completely different and usable. Red will have compile-to-native, fast, run on ARM / Pic etc., R2 is the only one stable-enough to use in production in general. | 25-Nov 11:50 |
| 2724 | Pekr | Well, OTOH it is cool to have some options. RED and Topaz are nice projects, we will see, what World is all about. Maybe those projects can be somehow complementary, who knows ... | 25-Nov 10:18 |
| 2723 | Endo | Geomol, if don't have any other target, why don't you work on Red? Or fork a project from Red? | 25-Nov 10:01 |
| 2722 | Pekr | Hmm, so World can be runtime compiled :-) | 25-Nov 9:55 |
| 2721 | Pekr | And of course, very typical question - what was the main montivation, aka - why yet another language? :-) | 24-Nov 14:35 |
| 2720 | Pekr | Hehe :-) Very little is said, but questions come to mind for sure - what is the main target? Is it closer to R2, R3, RED, Topaz architecture? | 24-Nov 14:34 |
| 2719 | Geomol | "Will this language be an open or closed source project?" Question has been noted. I'll collect questions and make a QA here in AltME around release time. The countdown might answer questions and/or inspire people for new questions. | 24-Nov 14:27 |
| 2718 | Geomol | Yes, it's mine. | 24-Nov 14:26 |
| 2717 | Pekr | On the other side - Geomol is fan of various astronomy images, so it might be him :-) | 24-Nov 14:09 |
| 2716 | Pekr | I think not, because - who would come-up with yet another REBOL clone? :-) | 24-Nov 14:07 |
| 2715 | Henrik | Geomol, this is your language? | 24-Nov 13:46 |
| 2714 | ddharing | Will this language be an open or closed source project? | 24-Nov 13:40 |
| 2713 | Geomol | Yes, you can say that. Or a REBOL replacement for some applications, where REBOL isn't suited. | 24-Nov 10:16 |
| 2712 | Dockimbel | World Programming Language: is that a REBOL clone? | 24-Nov 10:08 |
| 2711 | Ladislav | I am glad it is of use. | 9-Nov 0:33 |
| 2710 | MikeL | Thanks for your diligence on including us in INCLUDE Ladislav. I use it everyday. | 8-Nov 23:51 |
| 2709 | Oldes | you are welcome... I just added rectangle-pack script and included ImageMagick dependencies which would be needed in some other scripts which I use. | 5-Nov 13:56 |
| 2708 | james_nak | Oldes, thank you for uploading those. | 4-Nov 17:46 |
| 2707 | Ladislav | Thanks for the report, Anton, correcting the INCLUDE doc. | 22-Oct 10:09 |
| 2706 | james_nak | Robert and company. Thank you so much. | 7-Oct 16:25 |
| 2705 | Robert | Thx. This testing part is absolut fundamental for us. We are constantly extending it and will add reports so we see what tests are there, what has been coverered etc. | 2-Oct 9:39 |
| 2704 | Pekr | Robert - thanks a lot, I really enjoyed run-tests.r3 demo, watching how GUI moves around in an automated fashion :-) | 2-Oct 9:30 |
| 2703 | GrahamC | I downloaded the archive before the retraction and it does have very recent source files in it ... | 1-Oct 19:11 |
| 2702 | BrianH | Whoops, I had the wrong group selected. Sorry for the reply in Announce - please consider it posted here. | 1-Oct 18:35 |
| 2701 | Kaj | Thanks, that changes the picture | 21-Jul 18:46 |
| 2700 | Oldes | R = Yes, definitely! [230] [29%] G = Yes, but I will continue using Facebook as well [406] [52%] B = No, I would rather stick with Facebook [147] [19%] | 21-Jul 18:32 |
| 2699 | Kaj | I get red/green/blue but no legend... | 21-Jul 14:01 |
| 2698 | Endo | I'm sure google will do a lot of things better by integrating with other google sites like google docs, maps, gmail, android-things, youtube, news etc. facebook cannot integrate with them easily and they have a loooong way to build similar stuff. Here is a poll result from techtree.com for the question: Will you leave Facebook to join Google+? http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/pollResult.jsp?poll_id=633 | 21-Jul 12:43 |
| 2697 | Maxim | for sure their interface will improve, But I think Google has a much better record for making things better in time... IMHO, Facebook hasn't really changed at all in years. Its all cosmetics, and even then I can't really tell you what its improved. I've still got a useless stream of hundreds of posts a day which I can't *easily* manage. configuring **anything** in FB is tedious to say the least. And the idea of "annoy everyone you know" and "give your personal data to unknown companies, without my conscent" is not something I readily enjoy. even friend lists are limited in length! basically, the whole UI is a disaster. | 20-Jul 16:45 |
| 2696 | Henrik | my biggest complaints are the lack of groups and also some silly UI bugs. If I choose to follow a popular person and he posts something with 500 responses, those 500 responses cannot be collapsed. I have to scroll through them. | 20-Jul 16:32 |
| 2695 | Maxim | The one thing I hate about Goggle is that they usually write pretty good code :-) I'm resisting right now, but I feel like it won't be long before I cave in. I already really like what I've seen so far. | 20-Jul 16:30 |
| 2694 | Steeve | Simply, I put trust on google to keep my personal data (and not to sell them) because I know they make their money without this urge. Facebook on the contrary never stoped to ly about the privacy topic. Year after year, they experimented new way to exploit your credulity to sell your personal data. From the beginning I felt this trap will arrive , tha"t why I never entered in that Facebook mania. | 20-Jul 16:25 |
| 2693 | Maxim | people I know who know about google + tend to prefer its ideas so far. A lot of people I know don't like facebook at all (it just wastes so much time) but don't really have an alternative. The fact that Google plus is tackling the problem of separating your social circles *FIRST* is, to me, a good indication that they've done their homework into how they can compete which facebook. | 20-Jul 16:13 |
| 2692 | Endo | I think that many people won't drop their facebook account, so somehow there will be an integration between them, in a middle term.. | 20-Jul 14:07 |
| 2691 | Henrik | All depends on the number of users, which is climbing steadily. | 20-Jul 13:33 |
| 2690 | Pekr | Do you think, that Google+ might become a competition to Facebook, or will it just fade-out as their Wave did? | 20-Jul 13:07 |
| 2689 | Oldes | Not yet, I think. | 20-Jul 12:41 |
| 2688 | MaxV | Are there gropups on Google plus? Or just circles? | 20-Jul 12:36 |
| 2687 | Henrik | You are most welcome in Google Plus. :-) | 20-Jul 9:11 |
| 2686 | MaxV | WOW! All went ok for Rebol group, but if you look at Facebook help forum there are a lot of people angry about loosing ther memebers! Ehy! Where are the videos I uploaded??? NOOOOooooooo! | 20-Jul 8:53 |
| 2685 | Izkata | Apparently one of the upgraded features is an automatic email subscription to all new posts in the group | 20-Jul 1:04 |
| 2684 | Izkata | Oldes: It seems to have worked, I got an email saying that it's been upgraded, and I'm still a member of it | 20-Jul 1:02 |
| 2683 | Kaj | Maybe after it's lost, you can convince your study mates to use AltME? ;-) | 19-Jul 23:16 |
| 2682 | Kaj | Welcome to the cloud | 19-Jul 23:15 |
| 2681 | Pekr | I am an author of one group, closed nature, student (reunion) type. I can't see any update button? We have xy events there, photos, comments. I hope we will not loose that group? | 19-Jul 23:08 |
| 2680 | Oldes | I pushed the button and it's updated probably... FB is stupid as you can have many groups with the same name. I visit it just a few times pre year. | 19-Jul 22:26 |
| 2679 | Maxim | you know.. managing a single dimension array is quite complex for programmers coming out of school nowadays. where is the iterator class for "update facebook users list" in jquery, .net, or java? ;-) | 19-Jul 17:11 |
| 2678 | MaxV | It's like that, I'm an administrator, but not the creator, so I ndot' see any button! Is a creator push the button, you loose all users, BUT you maintain postos, phots and videos... It's stupid! How can you invite again thousands of users? | 19-Jul 17:09 |
| 2677 | Maxim | wow what a fail! they could have built it as an "update this group" button which the group owners have a time lapse to activate or then its archived. | 19-Jul 17:06 |
| 2676 | MaxV | @oldes: Facebook started to freeze groups, during tha next week "worthy groups" will be updated to the new style/feature, "unworthy groups" will be archived. In both cases all users will be deleted and users wil have to join again to the group! P.S. I sent you a message trough Facebook | 19-Jul 17:05 |
| 2675 | MaxV | @WuJian: I'm not a software expert, just a Rebol enthusiastic user! But it should be possible. | 15-Jul 9:39 |
| 2674 | WuJian | it works under Windows XP, Opera and Firefox Can the DLLs be installed automaticly ? | 14-Jul 13:36 |
| 2673 | Steeve | Next, it's for R3 | 14-Jul 12:07 |
| 2672 | Steeve | Many thanks nve, it works now. MaxV: Awesome work, you're the Reboler of the year | 14-Jul 12:00 |
| 2671 | nve | @Steeve: me too, I have to create it and it works ! | 14-Jul 11:54 |
| 2670 | MikeL | MaxV: Sounds great. Is this an implementation of a REBOL plug-in without resorting to ActiveX? I thought earlier attempts hit the wall on providing a solution that did not pose an unworkable security exposure. | 14-Jul 11:47 |
| 2669 | Steeve | Hmmm strange I don't have a plugins directory (firefox + Win 7 x64) | 14-Jul 11:35 |
| 2668 | nve | Sorry, @maxvessi : works great under Windows 7 Opera and Firefox ! | 14-Jul 11:05 |
| 2667 | Maxim | that is the exact reason I am coding Liquid in C and not in C++. my project will build on anything out there, or can be easily converted to any other language. furthermore, C allows me to do more advanced OOP tricks than C++ allows... things like run-time class mutation (required for liquid) | 11-Jul 19:37 |
| 2666 | Geomol | Big pro for C is also, that it comes in an ANSI version. It runs about anywhere. | 11-Jul 19:08 |
| 2665 | Robert | Than D2 is a good choice | 11-Jul 19:06 |
| 2664 | Geomol | "IMO C is coming back. Simple, matured, works." hmm It probably comes back, but I find it too easy to make mistakes in. Pro is also, it's fast at execution. Good libraries might help with the mistakes. | 11-Jul 19:04 |
| 2663 | Maxim | so you mean, we should strive to be the last in the list? ;-) | 11-Jul 17:03 |
| 2662 | Andreas | "Wow, there are three languages less popular" [than REBOL, on Github]. I wouldn't worry about those stats too much at the moment. It seems that projects are re-indexed when there is commit activity within the project. So some REBOL projects on Github are not yet correctly classified and counted. On the other hand, the same probably holds true for other recently added languages. | 11-Jul 11:44 |
| 2661 | BrianH | That too, since 'lib and 'sys are predefined in the lib and sys contexts for convenience. | 25-May 22:50 |
| 2660 | Kaj | >> length? lib == 609 | 25-May 19:13 |
| 2659 | BrianH | It's length? system/words/lib right in a fresh console, otherwise there might be new words added. | 25-May 17:47 |
| 2658 | Maxim | ;-) | 24-May 18:36 |
| 2657 | Robert | I think I will save the last 40s to even include a Q&A section into my pecha kucha :-) because Rebol is just that compact and simple, that I don't need 20 slides ;-) | 24-May 18:17 |
| 2656 | Robert | Ok, thanks. | 24-May 18:15 |
| 2655 | Andreas | (which, for contexts, should be the same as length? system/contexts/lib anyway, but i'm sure brian will chime in on this issue later) | 24-May 17:49 |
| 2654 | Andreas | >> length? words-of system/contexts/lib == 609 | 24-May 17:48 |
| 2653 | Andreas | what's usable from sys is imported into lib anyways | 24-May 17:47 |
| 2652 | Andreas | well, ignore sys | 24-May 17:47 |
| 2651 | Andreas | >> length? unique compose [(words-of system/contexts/lib) (words-of system/contexts/sys)] == 633 | 24-May 17:46 |
| 2650 | Maxim | I'd count the alphabetical listing of words in the dictionnary on the web. | 24-May 17:46 |
| 2649 | Robert | Is it: length? system/contexts/lib | 24-May 17:45 |
| 2648 | Robert | How many standard words does R3 have? | 24-May 17:43 |
| 2647 | Maxim | (in today's "accepted" programming model) | 24-May 17:36 |
| 2646 | Maxim | cause even though people think other languages are simple, they still have to deal with using several completely incompatible languages. | 24-May 17:36 |
| 2645 | Maxim | show that you also use the same language for creating style sheets, new controls, sending a VID layout over tcp, etc. just showing how small the code snippets are is enough I guess. Make a little parallel between the web nonsense, and the simplicity of doing the same thing in rebol. (5-7 different languages, vs one) | 24-May 17:35 |
| 2644 | Robert | Datatypes is good. | 24-May 17:30 |
| 2643 | Robert | I have Dialects using VID and Doc's example to show: data is code, code is data. | 24-May 17:30 |
| 2642 | Maxim | but one thing you need to highlight, is that for all of your needs (code, style, layout, server, client, templates, controls, localization, etc) you are using a single highly natural language. This is the power of Dialects, (DSL). datatypes are also a great differentiator of REBOL... just run code and leave an HTML tag in the code, as-is... that is cool. most languages require literal data to be assigned, but in rebol data IS an expression so as long as there are no syntax issues, you can just embed data within the code (for whatever reason you need it in source managing tools). | 24-May 17:09 |
| 2641 | Robert | Thx for the input, I'm going to see how to put all aspects into it. | 24-May 17:08 |
| 2640 | Maxim | also, go to nick's page to get VERY cool 5-10 line scripts which are impressive. | 24-May 17:01 |
| 2639 | Dockimbel | BTW, you might want to patch the 'button VID style to point to 'btn for this demo. "button" would be much better for the code demo, but the look of "btn" is way nicer (and more modern). | 24-May 15:49 |
| 2638 | Dockimbel | Robert: here is a proposition for presenting View + VID + REBOL coding: 1) Show this code on a slide, explain briefly what it does and run it: REBOL [] view layout [ code: area 300x200 btn "Run" [view/new layout load code/text] ] 2) Enter some VID code in the textarea, click Run and listen to the "wow" in the audience ;-) You can type, for example: across text "Name:" f: field btn "Say" [alert join "Hello " f/text] | 24-May 15:44 |
| 2637 | james_nak | Robert, code, including gui's, created by other code and then executed, is a great feature of Rebol. | 24-May 15:31 |
| 2636 | Kaj | Yes, they're there, as an implementation detail of the internal abstraction of R3. The only place where some devices are exported is in the host kit, but they're hardwired there. You can port those specific devices to other platforms, but other than that, there's nothing you can do with the abstraction | 24-May 14:16 |
| 2635 | Pekr | Kaj - I think that you are not accurate, and that you even know it?. Codecs are useless, and even Carl later introduced the plan,of how to reimplement them. But devices? There is list of devices out there, no? http://www.rebol.net/wiki/Devices The other fact is, that those are not usable via extensions, but it does not mean the abstraction is not there? | 24-May 13:47 |
| 2634 | Kaj | There are reasons that you don't see anybody writing extra devices and codecs | 24-May 13:36 |
| 2633 | Kaj | There are just some traces of them as an internal implementation detail. There's nothing you can do with them | 24-May 13:35 |
| 2632 | Kaj | Where? | 24-May 13:32 |
| 2631 | Pekr | They are there, just not finished and optimal ... | 24-May 13:31 |
| 2630 | Kaj | Devices, codecs? Where? | 24-May 13:29 |
| 2629 | Robert | I only have 6:40 mintues. So, I concentrate on REBOL as a language, not so much on R3 / R2 the products. | 24-May 12:26 |
| 2628 | Geomol | REBOL has fostered ideas in many people, and I'm sure, whose ideas will evolve into a future with better programming tools, than the world has today. So yes, I'll say there is a future. | 24-May 9:03 |
| 2627 | Oldes | is there any future? Maybe postapocalyptic world where the only way how to comunicate is face to face or using ham radios. | 24-May 8:58 |
| 2626 | Pekr | probably not, but why not outline the planned future? R3 is alpha, and it should be treated as such. R3 adds nice stuff - unicode, modules, control of boot sequence, devices, codecs, etc. Robert might face the questions of recent REBOL status anyway .... | 24-May 8:51 |
| 2625 | Geomol | Is it really a good idea to go deep into R3, with the situation? | 24-May 8:49 |
| 2624 | Pekr | Also: >> 1 / 0 ** Math error: attempt to divide by zero ** Where: / ** Near: / 0 >> why? Opening web browser... | 24-May 8:48 |
| 2623 | Pekr | e.g. I always welcome the ability to check the changelog - nice addition with Changes. | 24-May 8:47 |
| 2622 | Geomol | And how to build sentences from words and values without irritating syntax to get in the way. The benefit from having so many datatypes, which make functions work in many ways depending on argument datatype. One good example, I think, is READ, but you can probably find others. | 24-May 8:47 |
| 2621 | Pekr | As for R3 console, which is ugly, but has some helpfull features too: Chat - open DevBase developer forum/BBS Docs - open DocBase document wiki (web) Bugs - open CureCode bug database (web) Demo - run demo launcher (from rebol.com) Help - show built-in help information Upgrade - check for newer releases Changes - what's new about this version (web) | 24-May 8:46 |
| 2620 | Geomol | Show them HELP (?) and SOURCE, which are strong tools to get you going as a programmer. | 24-May 8:44 |
| 2619 | Kaj | http://tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl/Boron/ | 23-May 15:48 |
| 2618 | Robert | Good idea, do you have a link? | 23-May 15:47 |
| 2617 | Kaj | Robert, you could do your presentation along the lines of my Boron presentation? | 23-May 15:43 |
| 2616 | onetom | indeed, thx GrahamC $ nc time-a.nist.gov 13 55676 11-04-25 16:30:36 50 0 0 433.9 UTC(NIST) * | 25-Apr 16:32 |
| 2615 | GrahamC | I think for daytime all you need to do is open a port on 13, read what is returned and close the port. | 24-Apr 21:50 |
| 2614 | GrahamC | onetom - see https://github.com/gchiu/Rebol3/blob/master/protocols/prot-daytime.r | 24-Apr 21:48 |
| 2613 | onetom | http://www.fm.tul.cz/~ladislav/rebol/nistclock.r we have this script too. would it be hard to port the system/schemes/daytime to r3? | 24-Apr 20:34 |
| 2612 | Kaj | :-) | 24-Apr 18:18 |
| 2611 | onetom | "On high holidays you may also spell it sØst‘md." :) the author seems to be pretty restrictive about the spelling | 24-Apr 17:39 |
| 2610 | Kaj | SystemD is more advanced | 24-Apr 15:11 |
| 2609 | onetom | what's wrong w the cron approach then. it would take up that 800kb for a fraction of a second every 5hr | 24-Apr 14:45 |
| 2608 | Kaj | Fossil serves distributed versioned databases and it only has 500 KB resident right now | 24-Apr 14:29 |
| 2607 | Kaj | Yes, but a bit much for just looking at the clock every five hours | 24-Apr 14:26 |
| 2606 | Andreas | a meager ~800kB in this case :) | 24-Apr 14:25 |
| 2605 | Kaj | The broader roadmap is to switch to SystemD. Then I can reclaim the memory that the msntp server takes | 24-Apr 14:24 |
| 2604 | Andreas | you're welcome | 24-Apr 14:23 |
| 2603 | Kaj | Thanks, that's one item off my roadmap | 24-Apr 14:23 |
| 2602 | Kaj | Cool, it runs now | 24-Apr 14:22 |
| 2601 | Kaj | Yeah, I'm finding out | 24-Apr 14:18 |
| 2600 | Andreas | msntp -x won't detach on it's own, so you'll have to use & or whatever your shell's (or startup script runner's) mechanism for backgrounding processes is | 24-Apr 14:17 |
| 2599 | Kaj | Hm, that didn't go down too well. Or actually, it did, because the server won't restart | 24-Apr 14:12 |
| 2598 | Andreas | or "msntp -x 1440 -a ntp1.nl.net" to have it check no more than once daily | 24-Apr 14:08 |
| 2597 | Andreas | msntp -x -a ntp1.nl.net | 24-Apr 14:08 |
| 2596 | Andreas | yikes, ignore the -v | 24-Apr 14:08 |
| 2595 | Andreas | but does not check more often than every 5 hours | 24-Apr 14:07 |
| 2594 | Andreas | that estimates clock drift and adapts accordingly | 24-Apr 14:06 |
| 2593 | Andreas | (so the full cmdline would be: msntp -x -v -a ntp1.nl.net) | 24-Apr 14:06 |
| 2592 | Kaj | Does that have a configuration file, or how often does it adjust? | 24-Apr 14:03 |
| 2591 | Andreas | "msntp -x" would make it run as a daemon | 24-Apr 14:03 |
| 2590 | Kaj | No Cron, and I don't plan on adding it | 24-Apr 14:01 |
| 2589 | Kaj | I've put it in the startup script, before Fossil | 24-Apr 14:01 |
| 2588 | Andreas | from this on, a -a once an hour via a cronjob would keep it in sync | 24-Apr 14:00 |
| 2587 | Andreas | yep, is in sync now | 24-Apr 13:59 |
| 2586 | Kaj | -r set it back a bit | 24-Apr 13:59 |
| 2585 | Kaj | I don't think adjtime is configured | 24-Apr 13:59 |
| 2584 | Andreas | try "msntp -r ntp1.nl.net" instead (which, from the manual, should use settimeofday()) | 24-Apr 13:58 |
| 2583 | Kaj | I didn't get the impression it changed, no | 24-Apr 13:58 |
| 2582 | Andreas | server time seems still off, maybe it's too off for adjtime() to be used | 24-Apr 13:58 |
| 2581 | Kaj | Used it once. Can you try again? | 24-Apr 13:57 |
| 2580 | Kaj | OK, I'll try that | 24-Apr 13:56 |
| 2579 | Andreas | syllable server seems to have msntp available. running "msntp -a ntp1.nl.net" would sync your server's time against. | 24-Apr 13:55 |
| 2578 | Kaj | OK, thanks | 24-Apr 13:51 |
| 2577 | Andreas | No difference. | 24-Apr 13:51 |
| 2576 | Kaj | I've turned off Modified Time detection. Can you tell me if that makes a difference in the warning? | 24-Apr 13:49 |
| 2575 | onetom | i c | 24-Apr 13:44 |
| 2574 | Kaj | It can use time stamps to detect file changes, but you can turn that off if you want | 24-Apr 13:43 |
| 2573 | Kaj | It doesn't depend on time stamps. Each file has an SHA1 hash, like Monotone, Git and Arch 2 | 24-Apr 13:43 |
| 2572 | Kaj | Yes, but that falls nicely in the category of something the user would be aware off | 24-Apr 13:42 |
| 2571 | onetom | which is not the case with darcs. | 24-Apr 13:42 |
| 2570 | onetom | why the hell is it an issue at all? i think because of the versioning model depends too much on the timestamps... | 24-Apr 13:42 |
| 2569 | Andreas | Or whatever the relative unsyncedness between the two machines is. | 24-Apr 13:41 |
| 2568 | Kaj | ten | 24-Apr 13:40 |
| 2567 | Kaj | Only if he would switch machines within then seconds | 24-Apr 13:40 |
| 2566 | Andreas | Or for a single contributor trying to create two check-ins in quick succession. | 24-Apr 13:40 |
| 2565 | onetom | it didnt complain for me | 24-Apr 13:39 |
| 2564 | Kaj | Yes, so it may become relevant on highly popular projects with frantic contributions all during the day | 24-Apr 13:39 |
| 2563 | Andreas | And it will try to prevent you from creating a check-ins that are "earlier" than their parents. | 24-Apr 13:39 |
| 2562 | Andreas | Relative time between check-ins. | 24-Apr 13:38 |
| 2561 | Kaj | Or actually more likely, it doesn't care about absolute time, but only about the relative time of the server and the local machine | 24-Apr 13:38 |
| 2560 | Kaj | But obviously, it's not something that keeps Fossil from working, it's just a friendly reminder that it tailors to the habits of the local user | 24-Apr 13:36 |
| 2559 | Kaj | OK, I'll keep that in mind when I look into NTP | 24-Apr 13:34 |
| 2558 | Andreas | Fossil won't complain <10 secs. | 24-Apr 13:27 |
| 2557 | Andreas | Okay, it is way off, then. | 24-Apr 13:27 |
| 2556 | Kaj | If I make it better than 13 seconds, it will still be off | 24-Apr 13:23 |
| 2555 | Andreas | 03-16 generates the same warning. | 24-Apr 13:23 |
| 2554 | Kaj | It generates the warning, doesn't it? | 24-Apr 13:23 |
| 2553 | Andreas | The time on your server is off, simple as that. | 24-Apr 13:23 |
| 2552 | Andreas | Nothing to do with fossil. | 24-Apr 13:23 |
| 2551 | Kaj | If a newer Fossil version would fix it, I would have been willing to update, though | 24-Apr 13:23 |
| 2550 | Kaj | That's good to know, thanks. But I have higher priority work | 24-Apr 13:22 |
| 2549 | Andreas | To replicate the problem. Of course, if you don't want to, that's fine. | 24-Apr 13:21 |
| 2548 | Andreas | It does not, but it'll give everyone with a synced time a warning on each and every clone/pull. | 24-Apr 13:21 |
| 2547 | Kaj | Why would I? | 24-Apr 13:21 |
| 2546 | Andreas | You can easily replicate my problem: sync your system time properly. | 24-Apr 13:21 |
| 2545 | Kaj | So, I can't replicate your problem, and it doesn't prevent Fossil from functioning, does it? | 24-Apr 13:20 |
| 2544 | Andreas | Exactly. The fossil version doesn't matter much. | 24-Apr 13:20 |
| 2543 | Kaj | Yes, that's what I suggested | 24-Apr 13:19 |
| 2542 | Andreas | The difference is most likely that my systems have a synced time, whereas your workstation has not. | 24-Apr 13:18 |
| 2541 | Andreas | 2011-03-16 reports the same warning. | 24-Apr 13:17 |
| 2540 | Kaj | You're reporting a difference, aren't you? | 24-Apr 13:17 |
| 2539 | Andreas | Not really. | 24-Apr 13:16 |
| 2538 | Kaj | I'm on the previous version of a month before, so maybe that makes a difference | 24-Apr 13:15 |
| 2537 | Andreas | This is fossil version [047e06193b] 2011-04-13 12:05:18 UTC. | 24-Apr 13:13 |
| 2536 | Kaj | What's the date of your Fossil version? | 24-Apr 13:13 |
| 2535 | Kaj | That's much better than I expected :-) | 24-Apr 13:11 |
| 2534 | Andreas | The esperconsultancy httpd is ~14 seconds off. | 24-Apr 13:11 |
| 2533 | Kaj | Mine aren't, so that must be the solution :-) | 24-Apr 13:10 |
| 2532 | Andreas | Various Linuxes, fossil 047e06193b on all of them, all of them synced. | 24-Apr 13:10 |
| 2531 | Andreas | My systems are properly time-synced. | 24-Apr 13:10 |
| 2530 | Kaj | Because I can't replicate it | 24-Apr 13:10 |
| 2529 | Andreas | Why would that matter? | 24-Apr 13:09 |
| 2528 | Kaj | What system are you on? | 24-Apr 13:09 |
| 2527 | Kaj | Strange, not for me, and the time of my workstation is routinely off | 24-Apr 13:09 |
| 2526 | Andreas | yes | 24-Apr 13:07 |
| 2525 | Kaj | Does Fossil issue a warning when you update? | 24-Apr 13:07 |
| 2524 | Kaj | NTP is on the roadmap for this server, but with low priority | 24-Apr 13:07 |
| 2523 | Kaj | Sure, and Fossil will nicely warn me when it gets significant, and then I'll adjust it | 24-Apr 13:06 |
| 2522 | Andreas | NTP not an option? | 24-Apr 13:06 |
| 2521 | Andreas | 13 seconds today, half a minute next month, ... | 24-Apr 13:06 |
| 2520 | Kaj | 13 Seconds? I can live with that | 24-Apr 13:05 |
| 2519 | Andreas | You might want to fix the system time on this machine. | 24-Apr 13:04 |
| 2518 | Kaj | Odd, it doesn't warn me if the skew is within a few minutes or so. Anyway, it seem to be just a warning, and I wouldn't worry about 13 seconds | 24-Apr 13:01 |
| 2517 | Andreas | Kaj, when cloning your fossil repository: fossil: *** time skew *** server is fast by 13.1 seconds | 24-Apr 12:51 |
| 2516 | MikeL | Didier.... Very nice. | 4-Apr-11 9:55 |
| 2515 | DideC | do http://membres.lycos.fr/didec/rebsite/whoswho/whoswho.r | 4-Apr-11 8:08 |
| 2514 | DideC | MaxV: remind me a script I made 8 years ago : d http://membres.lycos.fr/didec/rebsite/whoswho/whoswho.r | 4-Apr-11 8:07 |
| 2513 | GrahamC | I clicked on the "Draw" button for the plotterdemo and nothing happens ?? | 24-Mar-11 4:28 |
| 2512 | Gregg | Very cool script Massimiliano! | 23-Mar-11 20:16 |
| 2511 | Gregg | Thanks to the RMA team for their progress posts and updates. | 19-Mar-11 16:30 |
| 2510 | Henrik | Moving to REBOL3 GUI... | 17-Mar-11 9:02 |
| 2509 | GrahamC | Why not leave panel and hpanel as synonyms, and group/hgroup ? | 17-Mar-11 9:01 |
| 2508 | Rebolek | Great work, Jocko! Any R3GUI problems or bugs you want us to fix? :) | 17-Mar-11 8:51 |
| 2507 | GrahamC | Andreas - let us know when you port LNS to run over zeromq :) | 8-Mar-11 6:05 |
| 2506 | Gregg | Very cool Andreas! Can't wait to play with the new examples. | 8-Mar-11 0:17 |
| 2505 | Andreas | ddharing: The 200kmsgs/sec results are from a run on Linux. | 7-Mar-11 21:34 |
| 2504 | Andreas | Robert: you have two primitives send & recv. Both _block_ per default: send until there it manages to enqueue the message in an internal buffer, recv until it fully read a message. You call both functions with a NOBLOCK flag, in which case they won't block but return immediately, with an EAGAIN status code in case they did not manage to write/read anything. Finally, you also have a poll primitive, to which you pass a list of sockets you are interested in and an (optional) timeout. Poll returns you a list of sockets which are "active", i.e. which can be safely read from (or written to) without blocking. | 7-Mar-11 10:39 |
| 2503 | Janko | And big kudos for making the Redis library! | 7-Mar-11 9:22 |
| 2502 | Janko | 0MQ binding.. that is awesome! Does/will this work for R2 also maybe? :) | 7-Mar-11 9:21 |
| 2501 | Robert | Just to be sure I understand: 0MQ makes async call however it does it, and between 0MQ and Rebol the async is that I have to poll from Rebol side to check if the call is already done? | 7-Mar-11 8:15 |
| 2500 | Andreas | Robert, it can do both sync and async. But no callbacks, async is done using a WAIT-style (or select/epoll-style, if you prefer) approach, using zmq-poll. | 7-Mar-11 1:32 |
| 2499 | Robert | Andreas, is you 0MQ stuff synchron only? Or does it support async message passing via callbacks? | 6-Mar-11 11:06 |
| 2498 | JoshF | About disreb: Sorry to be unclear originally. At the moment, it's R2 only (I'm currently sticking with the latest version of R2 because I understand that it has a more stable GUI), however I am very willing to incorporate changes for R3. I'm not yet sure what the best fashion of collaboration with the Google code site is, but hopefully I'll have some time to investigate tomorrow. Sorry for the late reply, but I have imperfect access to AltMe (it's firewalled at work and I forgot my password (ha!) so I don't have it working on the computer I'm programming disreb with). @Oldes, I hope you find it useful should you chance to use it! Thanks! | 6-Mar-11 9:04 |
| 2497 | Kaj | Nice doc, Jocko | 5-Mar-11 13:23 |
| 2496 | jocko | I understand, but, basically, it should be out of the box : the r3dll.dll is the standard one, and as I said, the only thing I added is the line #define TO_WIN32, which in any case, should be declared. | 5-Mar-11 9:52 |
| 2495 | Robert | I meant out-of-the-box | 5-Mar-11 9:47 |
| 2494 | jocko | at least for all the demos I tested, including yours | 5-Mar-11 9:40 |
| 2493 | jocko | no, it's ok also with the standard a111 (recompiled, see what I did : http://www.colineau.fr/rebol/r3-gui.html ) | 5-Mar-11 9:38 |
| 2492 | Robert | Only our version of R3 loads our version of R3-GUI | 5-Mar-11 9:36 |
| 2491 | jocko | Yes, it works with the RMA build, but my tests are to check the level of compatibility with the standard r3 build, and, to that respect, I need to replace the load-gui by a do %r3-gui.r3. (At least, I suppose, I have not checked) | 5-Mar-11 9:25 |
| 2490 | GrahamC | Jocko .. load-gui works I think | 5-Mar-11 9:09 |
| 2489 | Ladislav | Sure, many demos | 4-Mar-11 20:25 |
| 2488 | GrahamC | Is there a demo with the rma build ? | 4-Mar-11 20:24 |
| 2487 | jocko | Waow ! huge work ! Congratulations RMA team! | 4-Mar-11 20:14 |
| 2486 | Oldes | Thank Josh for sharing, the Redis looks like interesting project. | 4-Mar-11 13:50 |
| 2485 | GrahamC | Thanks ... | 4-Mar-11 7:24 |
| 2484 | Gregg | It can be used as the backbone for all kinds of things. The only big hole I know of in 0MQ is that the IPC scheme doesn't work on Windows. It's worth skimming their docs. | 4-Mar-11 5:56 |
| 2483 | james_nak | Sweet. Thanks Kaj and Andreas. | 3-Mar-11 17:38 |
| 2482 | Kaj | All of those things | 3-Mar-11 16:46 |
| 2481 | MikeL | I always thought that Cheyenne would be a candidate to leverage ZMQ | 3-Mar-11 10:11 |