| # | User | Message | Date |
| 4335 | Evgeniy Philippov | Not sure. | Wed 6:12 |
| 4334 | Evgeniy Philippov | It seems 3D is optional at DRI. | Wed 6:11 |
| 4333 | Kaj | It's quite possible that the OpenGL combination requires DRI | Wed 1:02 |
| 4332 | Kaj | As far as I know, DRI requires 3D support. DirectFB supports 2D hardware and drivers. It can be combined with OpenGL | Wed 0:56 |
| 4331 | Evgeniy Philippov | AltME. I installed RHEL-based 64-bit Linux. And yum shows no 32-bit emulation libs. Anyone knows is it possible to set up RHEL64 for 32-bit altme? The disto is ScientificLinux http://scientificlinux.org | 28-Jan 17:22 |
| 4330 | Evgeniy Philippov | DRI links: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Links --- includes OSes, Linux distros, cards supporting DRI | 27-Jan 16:09 |
| 4329 | Evgeniy Philippov | So it seems I need to build my own CLFS cross-lfs.org ... Though I didn't search for Linux distros supporting DRI.\ | 27-Jan 16:07 |
| 4328 | Evgeniy Philippov | My latest gnewsense 2.3 doesn't include DRI. | 27-Jan 16:05 |
| 4327 | Dockimbel | DirectFB looks outdated to me. It seems to support only old graphic cards. | 27-Jan 16:03 |
| 4326 | Evgeniy Philippov | Fine :) | 27-Jan 16:02 |
| 4325 | Evgeniy Philippov | Ah. It includes a DRM word. | 27-Jan 16:02 |
| 4324 | Evgeniy Philippov | nouveau.freedesktop.org nvidia drivers wiki doesn't include the word DRI :((( | 27-Jan 15:57 |
| 4323 | Evgeniy Philippov | with my nvidia card: :( driconf Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". Screen "0" is not direct rendering capable. | 27-Jan 15:55 |
| 4322 | Evgeniy Philippov | aptitude search dri|grep DRI p driconf - DRI configuration applet p libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg - Debugging symbols for the Mesa DRI modules p x11proto-xf86dri-dev - X11 DRI extension wire protocol | 27-Jan 15:52 |
| 4321 | Evgeniy Philippov | gnewsense: | 27-Jan 15:52 |
| 4320 | Evgeniy Philippov | Faster DEs: "Q: How much faster is fluxbox compared with XFCE? A: Fluxbox will certainly load much faster after the login screen, and will consume probably 1/2 to 1/3 of the RAM that xfce will, but if you have lots of RAM you probably won't notice much speed difference after the loading process. However, if you only have 256MB of RAM fluxbox is the way to go..." http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=30599 (Untested by me) | 27-Jan 15:47 |
| 4319 | Evgeniy Philippov | So this clears all issues for me. | 27-Jan 15:42 |
| 4318 | Evgeniy Philippov | And more DRI and DirectFB: "Other competitors attempt to avoid the overhead of X by working directly with the hardware. Such projects include DirectFB. The Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI), which aims to provide a reliable kernel-level interface to the framebuffer, may make these efforts redundant.[14]" (same article) | 27-Jan 15:41 |
| 4317 | Evgeniy Philippov | More DRI info: "Wayland display server, hosted by freedesktop.org and developed by several X.Org developers, both addresses criticisms of X by replacing it completely and works directly with the hardware via DRI. It is planned for Wayland to eventually replace X in Ubuntu[10] and Fedora,[11] the two most popular Linux distributions.[12] Wayland handles backward compatibility with X by optionally running an X.org server as a client, which can be rootless (having one Wayland window per X client).[13]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System | 27-Jan 15:37 |
| 4316 | Evgeniy Philippov | Unrelated thing: "The Linux framebuffer (fbdev) is a graphic hardware-independent abstraction layer to show graphics on a computer monitor, typically on the console. The word framebuffer means a part of video memory containing a current video frame, and the Linux framebuffer means \u201caccess method to the framebuffer under the Linux kernel\u201d, without relying on system-specific libraries such as SVGALib or another user space software." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebuffer | 27-Jan 15:21 |
| 4315 | Evgeniy Philippov | "DirectFB allows applications to talk directly to video hardware[...]" "The [DirectFB] library allows developers an alternative to a full X Window System (X11) server[...]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectFB | 27-Jan 15:19 |
| 4314 | Evgeniy Philippov | So it seems that DRI and DRI2 are way to go. | 27-Jan 15:16 |
| 4313 | Evgeniy Philippov | From that wpedia page: "[DRI] is now part of the X.Org Server." | 27-Jan 15:14 |
| 4312 | Evgeniy Philippov | X with many DRI apps would be fun!!! | 27-Jan 15:12 |
| 4311 | Evgeniy Philippov | "In computing, the Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI) is an interface and a free software implementation used in the X Window System to securely allow user applications to access the video hardware without requiring data to be passed through the X server. Its primary application is to provide hardware acceleration of the Mesa implementation of OpenGL. It has also been adapted to provide OpenGL acceleration on a framebuffer console without an X Server running." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure_(DRI) | 27-Jan 15:12 |
| 4310 | Dockimbel | Looking at the DRI2 Wikipedia's page, it seems it still needs X to run? | 27-Jan 15:11 |
| 4309 | Evgeniy Philippov | Here's a DRI2 page (a lot of unknown terms): http://www.x.org/wiki/DRI2 | 27-Jan 15:10 |
| 4308 | Evgeniy Philippov | (I didn't read about DRI2.) | 27-Jan 15:07 |
| 4307 | Evgeniy Philippov | It mentions DRI2. | 27-Jan 15:07 |
| 4306 | Evgeniy Philippov | DocKimbel - read also the wayland link above --- at least the text I quoted here. | 27-Jan 15:06 |
| 4305 | Dockimbel | I'm also very interested in direct framebuffer rendering on Linux. Is DirectFB the most advanced framework for such use? | 27-Jan 15:03 |
| 4304 | Evgeniy Philippov | One of the details I left out in the above overview is how clients actually render under wayland. By removing the X server from the picture we also removed the mechanism by which X clients typically render. But there's another mechanism that we're already using with DRI2 under X: direct rendering. With direct rendering, the client and the server share a video memory buffer. The client links to a rendering library such as OpenGL that knows how to program the hardware and renders directly into the buffer. The compositor in turn can take the buffer and use it as a texture when it composites the desktop. After the initial setup, the client only needs to tell the compositor which buffer to use and when and where it has rendered new content into it. This leaves an application with two ways to update its window contents: 1. Render the new content into a new buffer and tell the compositor to use that instead of the old buffer. The application can allocate a new buffer every time it needs to update the window contents or it can keep two (or more) buffers around and cycle between them. The buffer management is entirely under application control. 2. Render the new content into the buffer that it previously told the compositor to to use. While it's possible to just render directly into the buffer shared with the compositor, this might race with the compositor. What can happen is that repainting the window contents could be interrupted by the compositor repainting the desktop. If the application gets interrupted just after clearing the window but before rendering the contents, the compositor will texture from a blank buffer. The result is that the application window will flicker between a blank window or half-rendered content. The traditional way to avoid this is to render the new content into a back buffer and then copy from there into the compositor surface. The back buffer can be allocated on the fly and just big enough to hold the new content, or the application can keep a buffer around. Again, this is under application control. In either case, the application must tell the compositor which area of the surface holds new contents. When the application renders directly the to shared buffer, the compositor needs to be noticed that there is new content. But also when exchanging buffers, the compositor doesn't assume anything changed, and needs a request from the application before it will repaint the desktop. The idea that even if an application passes a new buffer to the compositor, only a small part of the buffer may be different, like a blinking cursor or a spinner. | 27-Jan 14:57 |
| 4303 | Evgeniy Philippov | Andreas, I'm interested in direct video hardware programming under linux. So the following text from a page you mentioned is most interesting to me: | 27-Jan 14:57 |
| 4302 | Andreas | And Kaj already mentioned DirectFB. | 27-Jan 14:01 |
| 4301 | Andreas | Also: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ | 27-Jan 14:00 |
| 4300 | Izkata | Here's an article all about it: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/05/21/a-day-without-x/ | 27-Jan 13:50 |
| 4299 | Evgeniy Philippov | It would be fun to grow Linux with no X at all! Thoughts anyone? | 27-Jan 13:23 |
| 4298 | Evgeniy Philippov | The image and .cfg are easily extractable from the archive. | 27-Jan 5:44 |
| 4297 | Evgeniy Philippov | Here is a nice GRUB2 startup image with cosmic ship flying to Saturn with grub.cfg on how to display the image during GRUB2 menu display: http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/hurd-i386/installer/cdimage/current/debian-cd_info.tar.gz | 27-Jan 5:41 |
| 4296 | Evgeniy Philippov | Well. With tweaking configs and stuff maybe. Out of the box, it doesn't work. | 27-Jan 5:04 |
| 4295 | Kaj | Really? They talk about rendering Hindi, so I suppose it should work | 27-Jan 5:03 |
| 4294 | Evgeniy Philippov | on gnewsense Linux | 27-Jan 4:51 |
| 4293 | Evgeniy Philippov | Enlightenment DE also doesn't support UTF-8 output garbling the cyrillic characters. | 27-Jan 4:50 |
| 4292 | Kaj | On Mac, EFL works only on X11. On Windows, not all components work | 27-Jan 4:27 |
| 4291 | Kaj | Also, GTK is cross-platform. The EFL diagram vaguely mentions Win32/CE but mainly it still seems to be tied to Linux and maybe BSD | 27-Jan 4:17 |
| 4290 | Kaj | I considered it for a Red binding, but GTK has many more advanced third-party widget projects | 27-Jan 4:12 |
| 4289 | Kaj | It does seem to be less limited than it used to be. Although DirectFB figures in the text, but not in the diagrams | 27-Jan 4:11 |
| 4288 | Evgeniy Philippov | I mean no-X OpenGL and no-X Framebuffer. Maybe that diagram is misleading but maybe it is not misleading | 27-Jan 4:04 |
| 4287 | Evgeniy Philippov | re: threading/multicore i don't know | 27-Jan 4:00 |
| 4286 | Evgeniy Philippov | hardware rendering --- it has OpenGL, FrameBuffer and some other no-X ways... i don't know | 27-Jan 4:00 |
| 4285 | Evgeniy Philippov | the diagram below (the more complex one) document ways with no X | 27-Jan 3:59 |
| 4284 | Evgeniy Philippov | look at the diagram. EFL can either work with X or without X | 27-Jan 3:58 |
| 4283 | Kaj | The design also has limitations with threading/multi-core and hardware rendering | 26-Jan 16:56 |
| 4282 | Kaj | Is that so? EFL was always built on X | 26-Jan 16:55 |
| 4281 | Evgeniy Philippov | this url is an interesting stuff. One can program graphics bypassing X | 26-Jan 11:26 |
| 4280 | Evgeniy Philippov | m.: EFL has a set of pretty light libraries --- what's EFL? --- m., this? http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/efl The Enlightenment Foundation Libraries (EFL) | 26-Jan 11:25 |
| 4279 | Dockimbel | I guess that's why people are sticking with GTK+ 2.x. | 26-Jan 11:15 |
| 4278 | Evgeniy Philippov | I discard GTK+ into a trashcan with such directions of development. Qt supports CSS either. Trashcan, too. | 26-Jan 10:52 |
| 4277 | Evgeniy Philippov | http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/ | 26-Jan 10:49 |
| 4276 | Evgeniy Philippov | SHIT. GTK+ 3.x now supports CSS. machines get slower and slower with all of that stupid architects | 26-Jan 10:49 |
| 4275 | Evgeniy Philippov | I want +"screengadgets" +software +linux --- but there's NONE!!! :( | 26-Jan 10:24 |
| 4274 | Evgeniy Philippov | The article http://www.scribd.com/doc/55687428/Gadgets attributes the first use of the word gadget regarding the software to AmigaOS. | 26-Jan 9:26 |
| 4273 | Evgeniy Philippov | Is there such a desktop environment? | 26-Jan 9:24 |
| 4272 | Evgeniy Philippov | Are there desktop gadgets sitting on the screen background and screen foreground etc available on Linux, who knows? | 26-Jan 9:23 |
| 4271 | Evgeniy Philippov | gzip shows 45% cpu while this | 26-Jan 7:18 |
| 4270 | Evgeniy Philippov | it must show 0.0000(0)1 cpu usage on optimal OS and fs and tar implementation | 26-Jan 7:18 |
| 4269 | Evgeniy Philippov | tar -xzvf debian-hurd.img.tar.gz debian-hurd-20111214.img Ok ls -Hl size=3146776576 debian-hurd-20111214.img size=260521812 debian-hurd.img.tar.gz Ok | 26-Jan 7:17 |
| 4268 | Evgeniy Philippov | hmm. tar is unoptimal on linux. tar shows 20% cpu usage on the following: | 26-Jan 7:17 |
| 4267 | Kaj | :-) | 23-Jan 15:22 |
| 4266 | Evgeniy Philippov | Hehe. Just a random fun: on #gnu: <man> hi gnudists! | 23-Jan 11:20 |
| 4265 | Evgeniy Philippov | now it works perfectly | 19-Jan 10:26 |
| 4264 | Evgeniy Philippov | cat > altme.sh export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib32:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH /home/gouslar/green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme Ok chmod u+x ./altme.sh Ok ./altme.sh Ok | 19-Jan 10:14 |
| 4263 | Evgeniy Philippov | Yay this worked! But it's ldconfig's fault to not handle that beforehand | 19-Jan 10:14 |
| 4262 | Kaj | It's probably empty by default on an Ubuntu derivative | 18-Jan 23:28 |
| 4261 | Kaj | You could try setting $LD_LIBRARY_PATH before calling altme, to force the 32 bits libraries to be searched first | 18-Jan 23:27 |
| 4260 | Kaj | That's what I meant. rerunning ldconfig, if ldd still can't find a library | 18-Jan 23:22 |
| 4259 | Evgeniy Philippov | too lazy | 18-Jan 17:23 |
| 4258 | Evgeniy Philippov | It seems I need ldconfig sources to understand what is going on with it. | 18-Jan 17:07 |
| 4257 | Evgeniy Philippov | I re-ran it when all *Xaw7* were already present and /usr/lib32/ was present at ld.so.conf.d/biarch*.conf. After that re-running, *Xaw7* was still missing from its cache. Why? And how to force it into a cache? | 18-Jan 16:41 |
| 4256 | Evgeniy Philippov | Kaj: Which 'another' ldconfig? I re-ran ldconfig frequently | 18-Jan 16:40 |
| 4255 | Evgeniy Philippov | And ld.so.conf includes /usr/lib32/ | 18-Jan 16:38 |
| 4254 | Evgeniy Philippov | ldconfig -p|grep libXaw libXaw3d.so.6 (libc6) => /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6 libXaw3d.so (libc6) => /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so libXaw.so.7 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 libXaw.so.7 (libc6) => /usr/lib32/libXaw.so.7 libXaw.so (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/libXaw.so Ok ldconfig -p|grep libXaw7 Ok ls -l /usr/lib32/libXaw* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so -> libXaw3d.so.6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6 -> libXaw3d.so.6.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 297332 2010-05-10 02:48 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6.1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so -> libXaw7.so.7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7 -> libXaw7.so.7.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 373352 2011-02-19 04:17 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw.so.7 -> libXaw7.so.7 Ok | 18-Jan 16:37 |
| 4253 | Evgeniy Philippov | Hmm. Was hacking a bit more. I cannot get ldconfig to be sane and include all file names into its cache, tried all ways it seems. | 18-Jan 16:37 |
| 4252 | Kaj | Maybe another ldconfig? | 18-Jan 16:29 |
| 4251 | Evgeniy Philippov | I don't know: How to make altme find it? It exists! | 18-Jan 16:15 |
| 4250 | Evgeniy Philippov | ls /usr/lib32/libXaw* /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so /usr/lib32/libXaw.so.7 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6.1 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7.0.0 Ok | 18-Jan 16:15 |
| 4249 | Evgeniy Philippov | Xmu links to .../lib32/... | 18-Jan 16:06 |
| 4248 | Evgeniy Philippov | And I am using a 64-bit OS. | 18-Jan 16:06 |
| 4247 | Evgeniy Philippov | Ah. It expects a 32-bit ELFCLASS, probably. | 18-Jan 16:05 |
| 4246 | Evgeniy Philippov | A report about my adventures: sudo aptitude install libxaw7 libxmu6 [sudo] password for gouslar: 0 packages installed, updated or deleted. 0 bytes of archives received. Ok sudo aptitude search libxaw7 libxmu6 i A libxaw7 - X11 Athena Widget library p libxaw7-dbg - X11 Athena Widget library (debug package) p libxaw7-dev - X11 Athena Widget library (development hea i A libxmu6 - X11 miscellaneous utility library p libxmu6-dbg - X11 miscellaneous utility library (debug p Ok sudo ldconfig Ok ldd 042/altme ... libXaw7.so.7 => not found libXmu.so.6 => not found ... Ok ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXmu* No such file(s). Ok ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXaw* No such file(s). Ok Then, I installed rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.amd64.deb from maxvessi.net. (GTK-DEBI installer was saying to 47 additional packages, then it hung before downloaded anything. I killed some processes it created. Then I re-ran gdebi, it said all dependencies of 'rebol' are satisfied and installed 'rebol' quickly.) Then, I re-ran: ldd 042/altme ... libXaw7.so.7 => not found libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libXmu.so.6 (0xf75c3000) ... Ok sudo aptitude install libXaw7 libxaw7-dbg libxaw7-dev ...it installed 21 new package... Ok ldd 042/altme ... libXaw7.so.7 => not found ... Ok 042/altme altme: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw7.so.7: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 Ok | 18-Jan 16:02 |
| 4245 | Evgeniy Philippov | Still no luck with both methods. I can investigate this myself, just too currently lazy to do it. | 18-Jan 16:01 |
| 4244 | MaxV | Try this link http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/index.php | 18-Jan 15:16 |
| 4243 | Dockimbel | Evgeniy: try with `apt-get install libxaw7 libxmu6`. | 18-Jan 14:25 |
| 4242 | Evgeniy Philippov | My Ubuntu 11.04 apt repos broke completely with no prev. reason, so I installed lubuntu oneiric | 18-Jan 10:52 |
| 4241 | Evgeniy Philippov | lubuntu (light ubuntu) problems. sudo green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme [sudo] password for gouslar: green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw7.so.7: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 Ok ldd green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf77b5000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0xf766a000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 (0xf7657000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXt.so.6 (0xf75fa000) libXaw7.so.7 => not found libXmu.so.6 => not found libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xf750f000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 (0xf7478000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf744d000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7448000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf742a000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf72ae000) libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0xf728f000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSM.so.6 (0xf7285000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libICE.so.6 (0xf726b000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf77b6000) libz.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0xf7256000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0xf7252000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xf724b000) libuuid.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 (0xf7244000) Ok lsb_release -dr Description: Ubuntu 11.10 Release: 11.10 Ok uname -asm Linux greenmeadow 3.0.0-14-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 21 20:28:43 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Ok How do I fix missing "libXaw7.so.7" and "libXmu.so.6"? | 18-Jan 10:51 |
| 4240 | Evgeniy Philippov | Which ones? | 18-Jan 10:50 |
| 4239 | MaxV | Did you find the Linux Rebol packages useful? | 18-Jan 9:28 |
| 4238 | Evgeniy Philippov | Thank you Kaj! | 15-Jan 20:54 |
| 4237 | Evgeniy Philippov | It works ok. | 15-Jan 20:53 |
| 4236 | Evgeniy Philippov | Haha correct! But more than that. You have to select text at AltME, you have to right-click the selection at AltME, and then use the middle-click at the target text editor at OS (where your text is safe to be copied using usual means). As a text editor, gedit can be used. | 15-Jan 20:53 |
| 4235 | Kaj | It's a disaster. You have to select, then middle click to paste, and often you first have to clear the target field even before you select the source field | 15-Jan 20:43 |
| 4234 | Kaj | Linux has two clipboards. AltME looks like it uses the cut/paste clipboard, but it actually uses the middle-mouse-button clipboard | 15-Jan 20:42 |
| 4233 | Pekr | Problem with clipboard is not related to only Linux version, there are some problems even under Windows. Source code to Altme is not publicly available, so we can't fix it ourselves. I don't remember any hacks to the Linux version of Altme, re clipboard issues, but I never used Altme under Linux .... | 15-Jan 20:28 |
| 4232 | Evgeniy Philippov | When AltME says "Text copied", the Ubuntu 11.04 (GNOME 2.32.1) clipboard is unchanged. | 15-Jan 20:25 |
| 4231 | Evgeniy Philippov | How do I fix a clipboard issue? | 15-Jan 20:24 |
| 4230 | Evgeniy Philippov | Copying from external windows into AltME works OK. | 15-Jan 20:24 |
| 4229 | Evgeniy Philippov | I have one more bug: Clipboard does not work with AltME. I select text at AltME, right-click, AltME says "Text copied", but the Ubuntu 11.04 clipboard doesn't contain anything. | 15-Jan 20:23 |
| 4228 | Evgeniy Philippov | Ah ok. Might happen. | 15-Jan 20:15 |
| 4227 | Andreas | Seems you rebooted only after installing the .deb (but not after installing the fonts), so I guess that reboot is what really fixed it :) | 15-Jan 15:58 |
| 4226 | Andreas | Did you restart X after installing the fonts? | 15-Jan 15:57 |
| 4225 | Kaj | I thought that error is caused by the traditional fixed size fonts not being installed, but apparently there's more | 15-Jan 14:40 |
| 4224 | Evgeniy Philippov | WOOHOO! Now I can live here under Linux!!! :) | 15-Jan 8:31 |
| 4223 | Evgeniy Philippov | I've installed an rebol amd64 .deb, rebooted, now AltME works. | 15-Jan 8:30 |
| 4222 | Evgeniy Philippov | I've skimmed the log above and saw a .deb solution, will try it. | 15-Jan 7:51 |
| 4221 | Evgeniy Philippov | How do I fix that? | 15-Jan 7:48 |
| 4220 | Evgeniy Philippov | I did sudo aptitude install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi and altme042 gives: ** User Error: Bad face in screen pane! ** Near: size-text self | 15-Jan 7:48 |
| 4219 | Evgeniy Philippov | I have an Ubuntu Linux 11.04, and altme does not start. I did | 15-Jan 7:47 |
| 4218 | GrahamC | We need a Linux Rebol FAQ | 11-Jan 20:11 |
| 4217 | ddharing | I've been using the following commands to fix the Ubuntu 11 font problems: sudo apt-get install xfonts-100dpi sudo apt-get install xfonts-75dpi | 11-Jan 19:33 |
| 4216 | Gabriele | Petr: the one to execute programs for the current directory was the AmigaOS. | 11-Jan 11:43 |
| 4215 | MaxV | The packages on http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/index.php requires to install also the fonts | 11-Jan 10:47 |
| 4214 | Dockimbel | Certainly, but as these kind of issues with /View on Linux are pretty common, I thought someone would give me the solution right away. | 11-Jan 1:18 |
| 4213 | GrahamC | Google ( and Gabriele ) is your friend :) | 10-Jan 23:12 |
| 4212 | Dockimbel | Ok, got them from this channel history. Thanks Graham! | 10-Jan 23:05 |
| 4211 | Dockimbel | Any Ubuntu package name for those old X bitmap fonts? | 10-Jan 23:02 |
| 4210 | GrahamC | "Maybe some font missing? (Eg. the old, standard X bitmap fonts, you may have to emerge them separately as I don't think normal linux apps use them anymore.) Regards, Gabriele." "Ta-dah! I didn't have the bitmap fonts in my font path. Running now. Now I just have to work out what it is! :) thanks Jonathan." | 10-Jan 21:55 |
| 4209 | Dockimbel | (error pops up when launching rebol/view) | 10-Jan 19:56 |
| 4208 | Dockimbel | Running View on a 11.04 Ubuntu (a user from #red-lang on Freenode). Any simple workaround? | 10-Jan 19:47 |
| 4207 | Dockimbel | ** User Error: REBOL: Cannot obtain default font ** Near: size-text self | 10-Jan 19:47 |
| 4206 | Kaj | There are places where you could add ./ to your PATH | 10-Jan 16:54 |
| 4205 | Kaj | Yes | 10-Jan 16:53 |
| 4204 | Henrik | The only files that are visible to the shell are the ones in PATH. once they are visible to PATH, you can enter them directly. I'm thinking this is for security reasons to avoid replacing shell commands with malicious executables. | 10-Jan 16:34 |
| 4203 | Pekr | ok, thanks. I thought that once I am "standing" in the directory (shell shows /home/user/beagleboard_xm), then script in "current-dir" is going to be visible. But that is sometimes tricky, I use Midnight commande and ctrl+o to switch to console, which puts me sometimes in different directory ... | 10-Jan 16:26 |
| 4202 | Henrik | "because the script" => "because the script path" | 10-Jan 16:04 |
| 4201 | Henrik | tilda = your home directory instead of typing /home/blah/ ./ is an abbreviation of the current directory and is required, because the script is not in your PATH environment variable. | 10-Jan 15:56 |
| 4200 | Pekr | novice questions towards Linux shell usage: $ cd ~/beagleboard_xm $ sudo ./mkmmc-android.sh <Your SD card device e.g:/dev/sdc> 1) what does tilda char means on the first line? 2) I was standing right inside the directory, but could not run the scrip, unless I put ./ in there too. What does it do? | 10-Jan 15:45 |
| 4199 | Pekr | OK, now my rebcmd starts. The other problem is, where does it look for the license.key? It is not recognised, when placed to /usr/local/bin, neither when it is placed to the dir from where I invoke rebcmd ... | 30-Nov 11:34 |
| 4198 | Andreas | That package is `ia32-libs` on amd64 (pre-multiarch) and `libstdc++5` on i386 (and multiarch amd64). Except for Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid" (the current LTS), for which it was decided to drop this ancient version of libstdc++ (a decision which was later reversed). | 29-Nov 17:45 |
| 4197 | Kaj | There's probably still a compatibility package for it in Ubuntu, which would be the safe way to install it | 29-Nov 16:53 |
| 4196 | Kaj | libstdc++.so.5 is an antiquated version of the C++ system library, for GCC 3. The current version, for GCC 4, is libstdc++.so.6 | 29-Nov 16:52 |
| 4195 | Andreas | or /opt/rebol-<version>/bin | 29-Nov 16:18 |
| 4194 | Andreas | /usr/local/bin | 29-Nov 16:17 |
| 4193 | Pekr | Where should I put my rebol executable ideally? | 29-Nov 16:16 |
| 4192 | Pekr | hmm, following worked for my "Ubuntu": wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-3.3/libstdc++5_3.3.6-18_i386.deb sudo dpkg -i libstdc++5_3.3.6-18_i386.deb | 29-Nov 16:15 |
| 4191 | Andreas | (apt-get install ia32-libs; no idea about zentyal, though) | 29-Nov 16:10 |
| 4190 | Andreas | install the ia32-libs thru your package manager, that should be enough | 29-Nov 16:10 |
| 4189 | Pekr | Hmm, does not work, so .... | 29-Nov 16:07 |
| 4188 | Pekr | http://re-bol.com/rebol_ubuntu1004.txt | 29-Nov 15:53 |
| 4187 | Pekr | Is following aproach safe to my server? :-) I use Zentyal, which is an add-on upon Ubuntu. My SDK REBOL/Command is screaming it can't find libstdc++.so.5 | 29-Nov 15:52 |
| 4186 | Kaj | Other TTS packages such as FLite or eSpeak could also be used | 11-Nov 22:35 |
| 4185 | Kaj | Compiling Festival should be possible, too, but it has a few dependencies, so those would have to be compiled, as well | 11-Nov 22:20 |
| 4184 | Kaj | Before that, single packages can be added or upgraded within Syllable Server | 11-Nov 22:14 |
| 4183 | Kaj | I am running NginX in front of Cheyenne now without SSL, but it's not integrated in a Syllable release yet. I plan to do that in a new Syllable Server release in a few months | 11-Nov 22:13 |
| 4182 | Kaj | SSL can be added to Cheyenne by putting NginX or indeed STunnel in front of it, but I haven't done that yet | 11-Nov 22:11 |
| 4181 | Kaj | Syllable Server includes Cheyenne preconfigured. We're running a number of sites on it | 11-Nov 22:10 |
| 4180 | Ryan | Does syllable run cheyenne? Can it do something like festival text to speech? | 11-Nov 19:18 |
| 4179 | Ryan | Under $200 for the router and server (or just router). Syllable sounds tempting. Can I run stunnel or something else for SSL support? | 11-Nov 19:14 |
| 4178 | Andreas | (Thinking about Alix/Soekris/Orbit Micro-style devices here.) | 11-Nov 15:29 |
| 4177 | Andreas | I.e. EUR 100/USD 130 for a reasonable x86 router box is certainly doable. | 11-Nov 15:07 |
| 4176 | Andreas | What price range are you aiming for, Ryan? In my experience, x86 router-like devices are certainly more expensive than the concurring architectures, but not prohibitively so. | 11-Nov 15:03 |
| 4175 | Kaj | http://web.syllable.org/pages/about.html#Server | 11-Nov 3:47 |
| 4174 | Kaj | Ryan, as long as you're on x86, you could consider Syllable Server: | 11-Nov 3:47 |
| 4173 | Kaj | That was really heavy duty outdoors stuff | 11-Nov 3:43 |
| 4172 | GrahamC | Jaime Vargas had a commercial wireless router with embedded Rebol | 11-Nov 2:09 |
| 4171 | Ryan | Thanks James. I heard someone had done it before. I have pretty much decided to scrap the idea for the time being. I seem to be stuck on the x86 platform for the time being, and x86 routers are expensive. | 11-Nov 1:15 |
| 4170 | Duke | @Gabriele: - Thank you!! Very good resource .... | 8-Nov 5:04 |
| 4169 | james_nak | Ryan, I think Luis was doing some rebol on routers back in the day but I could be mistaken. | 7-Nov 21:18 |
| 4168 | Gabriele | Duke, http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux-init-or-startup-scripts.html (Google is your friend. :) | 7-Nov 9:53 |
| 4167 | Duke | @DocKimbel: Thanks! There is a README file in the /etc/rc3.d/ directory that indicates to rename the file to a Knnapache2. I'll do it and see what blows up. :)) | 6-Nov 5:04 |
| 4166 | Kaj | If the router is ARM, REBOL is a problem, but the Boron or Red languages could be used, depending on your needs | 5-Nov 23:50 |
| 4165 | Kaj | I'm producing a Linux server OS including REBOL, that could be used if the router is x86 | 5-Nov 23:49 |
| 4164 | Ryan | ew, no async back then. I think there is a work around, but its not pretty. | 5-Nov 20:48 |
| 4163 | Ryan | Well that is a start. | 5-Nov 20:24 |
| 4162 | Dockimbel | Latest ARM REBOL binaries are v2.5.0, which should be ~9 years old. | 5-Nov 20:15 |
| 4161 | Ryan | I put dd-wrt on a router once, and I heard of fedora on a router, and various linux based router os's. I suspect there is three options; 1. use an x86 pc as a router, 2. use an x86 router, 3. use an arm type router with an arm rebol ($$$). | 5-Nov 20:10 |
| 4160 | Dockimbel | You can start with OpenWrt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWrt | 5-Nov 20:10 |
| 4159 | Dockimbel | Never done that, but you'll probably need to build a new custom linux firmware image for your router. | 5-Nov 20:02 |
| 4158 | Ryan | I want to put core on a wireless router. Anybody out there doing that? | 5-Nov 19:47 |
| 4157 | Dockimbel | On my Ubuntu 10.04, the symlink seems to be more like /etc/rc3.d/S91apache2, so I am not sure for Xubuntu. | 5-Nov 15:23 |
| 4156 | Dockimbel | Try removing the symbolic link named S80httpd from /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/. | 5-Nov 15:15 |
| 4155 | Duke | I'm running REBOL v2.7.8 on an xubuntu box. I want to run the cheyenne web server. Anyone know how to dissable automatic startup of Apache2 server on a Debian-based distro? | 5-Nov 14:59 |
| 4154 | Gabriele | I'm not sure what you mean - I think sqlite is just escaping it in the output. ie. same thing as in rebol: >> as-string #{5E49} == "^^I" | 5-Nov 8:08 |
| 4153 | Ashley | A *nix command line question (I think). Using the following command: echo '.show' | sqlite3 -separator '\t' yields ... separator: "\\t" ... How do I "escape" the backslash so only one is inserted? | 5-Nov 6:24 |
| 4152 | ManuM | I have tested with a CD-Live too, and after installing rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb, I log out the session, then restart the X Server from the login screen ( a hidden option at shutdown icon ), and log in again with ubuntu and blank password. And it works perfect. Thank you Gabriele. | 15-Jun 19:51 |
| 4151 | ManuM | Tested with reboot after installing rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb and it works perfect. Thank you Max | 15-Jun 19:48 |
| 4150 | Gabriele | (also, I think there is a way to flush the X server font cache.) | 15-Jun 9:24 |
| 4149 | Gabriele | You can probably just restart the X server. | 15-Jun 9:24 |
| 4148 | ManuM | Just reboot? Ok, I was trying with a CD-Live so I have never restarted after installing the rebol.deb file. I'll try it tomorow with a installed Kubuntu 11.04 and I'll post any new. Thank you for your help. | 14-Jun 19:28 |
| 4147 | MaxV | You'll find an incon in the "Applications/Development" panel | 14-Jun 12:00 |
| 4146 | MaxV | When you install the rebol.deb file, it autamtically install xfonts packages, then you need to reboot the PC | 14-Jun 11:59 |
| 4145 | MaxV | SOLVED!!! You need just to reboot the PC | 14-Jun 11:59 |
| 4144 | ManuM | @MaxV: Yes I have installed rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386, but same result. If I have news I'll tell you. Thank you for your help. | 13-Jun 17:44 |
| 4143 | MaxV | I'll investigate on Kubuntu..., if you have news, write me to maxint@tiscali.it | 13-Jun 13:36 |
| 4142 | MaxV | Did you used http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb ? | 13-Jun 13:34 |
| 4141 | ManuM | Any suggestions with Rebol 2.7.8 and Kubuntu 11.04 problem? | 11-Jun 9:21 |
| 4140 | ManuM | Repost the previous unreadable output ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON$ rebol ** User Error: Bad face in screen pane! ** Near: size-text self ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON$ uname -a Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON$ ls -la total 7888 drwx------ 2 ubuntu ubuntu 16384 2011-05-08 19:39 . drwx------ 22 ubuntu ubuntu 16384 2010-12-14 11:15 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 650478 2011-05-08 19:40 rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 3907696 2011-05-08 21:00 xfonts-100dpi_1.0.3_all.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 3464308 2011-05-08 21:01 xfonts-75dpi_1.0.3_all.deb ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON$ ldd /usr/bin/rebol linux-gate.so.1 => (0x00f45000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0x00c80000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 (0x004ee000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXt.so.6 (0x00985000) libXaw.so.7 => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x005d4000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x00285000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0x003bb000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00110000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x0059e000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00196000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00fcf000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00631000) libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0x0025a000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSM.so.6 (0x00933000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libICE.so.6 (0x00c65000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x00bff000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x002f9000) libz.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x0019a000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0x001af000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x001b4000) libuuid.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 (0x0080a000) | 7-Jun 15:11 |
| 4139 | ManuM | Rebol 2.7.8 not working on Kubuntu 11.04 I have installed xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi but same result I have installed MaxV .deb package but still the same result. I look at ldd command and I get a similar output that I got at Kubuntu 10.10 ( where Rebol 2.7.8 works ok ) Any advice? ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ rebol ** User Error: Bad face in screen pane! ** Near: size-text self ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ uname -a Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ ls -la total 7888 drwx------ 2 ubuntu ubuntu 16384 2011-05-08 19:39 . drwx------ 22 ubuntu ubuntu 16384 2010-12-14 11:15 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 650478 2011-05-08 19:40 rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 3907696 2011-05-08 21:00 xfonts-100dpi_1.0.3_all.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 3464308 2011-05-08 21:01 xfonts-75dpi_1.0.3_all.deb ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ ldd /usr/bin/rebol linux-gate.so.1 => (0x00f45000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0x00c80000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 (0x004ee000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXt.so.6 (0x00985000) libXaw.so.7 => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x005d4000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x00285000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0x003bb000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00110000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x0059e000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00196000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00fcf000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00631000) libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0x0025a000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSM.so.6 (0x00933000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libICE.so.6 (0x00c65000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x00bff000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x002f9000) libz.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x0019a000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0x001af000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x001b4000) libuuid.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 (0x0080a000) | 7-Jun 15:09 |
| 4138 | ddharing | MaxV and Andreas, great work on solving the 11.04 problem. So, that means these xfonts were on previous versions of Ubuntu, but not 11. | 14-May 4:00 |
| 4137 | MaxV | Launchpad doesn't accept only binaries, it wants the source and the it builds the binaries. I'll investigate on Multiverse... | 9-May 16:15 |
| 4136 | MaxV | I'm working to put in it on Launchpad | 9-May 7:33 |
| 4135 | jocko | tested : installation ok | 6-May 20:10 |
| 4134 | BrianH | Max, have you looked into what would be required to get a proper repository for R2 and maybe R3 set up in multiverse? | 6-May 19:31 |
| 4133 | MaxV | If you use the linux packages, all dependencies are automatically downloaded!!! | 6-May 16:54 |
| 4132 | MaxV | SOLVED!!! Added dependecies xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi !!!! Thank you very much Adnreas!!!!!!!! You can download last linux packages from: http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/ | 6-May 16:53 |
| 4131 | Andreas | yes, xvfb works fine: $ xvfb-run ./rebol -qsvw --do "print [system/version view?]" 2.7.8.4.2 true | 3-May 16:53 |
| 4130 | Andreas | in both cases, you'll need the bitmap fonts installed in the respective x server | 3-May 16:53 |
| 4129 | Andreas | xvfb should work as well, but i haven't tried it in ages | 3-May 16:50 |
| 4128 | Andreas | x forwarding (ssh -X) certainly works | 3-May 16:49 |
| 4127 | onetom | Andreas: but r u talking about starting /view on an actual X11 server? or is it possible to start it without a real X11 head? | 3-May 16:47 |
| 4126 | Andreas | install the bitmap fonts and you'll be fine | 3-May 16:46 |
| 4125 | onetom | i was even trying ssh -X from a linux box but it didn't help either. | 3-May 16:45 |
| 4124 | Andreas | (and you'll most certainly have to re-login to your x session after installing those packages.) | 3-May 16:29 |
| 4123 | Andreas | max, you can add those to your dependency list | 3-May 16:24 |
| 4122 | Andreas | install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi and the problem should be gone | 3-May 16:23 |
| 4121 | onetom | MaxV: that bad face error message happens when u r trying to start a rebol/view without an actual x11 server. i was trying to trick it with xvfb and xvncserver but no luck | 3-May 15:25 |
| 4120 | Andreas | 4.3 or 4.2? | 3-May 15:07 |
| 4119 | MaxV | It appears in the console: ** User Error: Bad face in screen pane! ** Near: size-text self so I think that it''s internal to Rebol... | 3-May 14:52 |
| 4118 | MaxV | Confirmed, it doesn't work, even adding all dependencies: libc6 libstdc++6 libx11-6 libxcb1 libxaw7 libfreetype6 libext6 libxt6 libxmu6 libgcc1 libsm6 libice6 libxpm4 zlib1g libxau6 libxdmcp6 libuuid1 Do I missed any dependecies? | 3-May 14:46 |
| 4117 | Andreas | So I'd say the problem seems to be nothing intrinsic to REBOL, but probably something related to missing libraries. | 2-May 16:53 |
| 4116 | onetom | (u dont really have to say copy from the console) | 2-May 15:32 |
| 4115 | Andreas | In plain English: /View 2.7.8.4.2 works fine (for me) on Ubuntu 11.04. | 2-May 14:54 |
| 4114 | Andreas | >> system/version
== 2.7.8.4.2
>> view?
== true >> call/output "lsb_release -a" out: copy "" No LSB modules are available. == 0 >> print out Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 11.04 Release: 11.04 Codename: natty | 2-May 14:52 |
| 4113 | ddharing | I'll look into it. Thanks. | 16-Apr 11:38 |
| 4112 | Gabriele | might also just be missing bitmap fonts. | 16-Apr 9:07 |
| 4111 | GrahamC | ldd | 16-Apr 2:03 |
| 4110 | GrahamC | did you check libraries? | 16-Apr 2:02 |
| 4109 | ddharing | I'm running Ubuntu Desktop. I've tried it on two laptops -- both with and without Unity. | 16-Apr 1:56 |
| 4108 | Izkata | Ubuntu is going to introduce Wayland, a replacement for X11, but from what I'm reading it shouldn't be default in 11.04 | 16-Apr 1:00 |
| 4107 | Maxim | could it be no x11 installed ? | 15-Apr 13:51 |
| 4106 | ddharing | The latest version of REBOL/View does NOT run on Ubuntu 11 Beta. I've tried it on two different machines. You get the old "Bad face in screen panel" error. Does anyone have any ideas about what may be the problem? Ubuntu 10.10 is fine. | 15-Apr 13:33 |
| 4105 | Robert | Ok, thanks. | 10-Apr 18:07 |
| 4104 | Andreas | "When I have setup a portforwarding via SSH, how can I get rid of it?" Close the SSH session or, if using OpenSSH, use ~C to enter the client's command-line and remove the (remote) forwarding with -KR<port>. You can't remove local forwardings this way, afaik. | 10-Apr 17:42 |
| 4103 | Robert | Any idea, why the TCP/IP connections from the remote machines are not recognized? | 9-Apr-11 21:35 |
| 4102 | Robert | When I use telnet localhost 44000 from the remote machine, which should tunnel through the SSH channel and forward to 192.168.22.1:44000 on my_vm_server.com, I get a connection but the listen server doesn't recognize it... | 9-Apr-11 21:34 |
| 4101 | Robert | When I use telnet localhost 44000 from my_vm_server.com than, the connection is done and the listen server recognizes it. | 9-Apr-11 21:34 |
| 4100 | Robert | When I use: ssh -L 44000:192.168.22.1:44000 user@my_vm_server.com, from a remote machine, the SSH tunnel is setup and the login is done on my_vm_server.com | 9-Apr-11 21:33 |
| 4099 | Robert | When I use telnet localhost 44000 on the system the VM runs I get a connection but the listening server doesn't recognizses it as a connection. | 9-Apr-11 21:32 |
| 4098 | Robert | And some more questions: I have a server that listens on port 44000 in a VM. The VM is using NAT network. The VM NAT router is configured to forward port 44000 from the outside to the VM IP on port 44000. | 9-Apr-11 21:31 |
| 4097 | Robert | When I have setup a portforwarding via SSH, how can I get rid of it? | 9-Apr-11 21:13 |
| 4096 | Andreas | http://www.dribin.org/dave/blog/archives/2007/11/28/ssh_agent_leopard/ might help :) | 30-Mar-11 17:14 |
| 4095 | Robert | Ok, giving all this a try and let you know :-) | 30-Mar-11 16:55 |
| 4094 | Andreas | the osx keychain should work for you | 30-Mar-11 16:51 |
| 4093 | Robert | Ok, thanks. So do you know a SSH agent for OSX? Or is there a standard SSH agent CLI tool? | 30-Mar-11 16:50 |
| 4092 | Andreas | So, as Max says, no need to associate usernames with keys in that keys (besides setting up $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys correctly) | 30-Mar-11 16:48 |
| 4091 | Andreas | You can then just load multiple keys into your SSH agent, and all of them will be tried for authentication | 30-Mar-11 16:47 |
| 4090 | Andreas | Key-based SSH authentication is most convenient when used in combination with an "ssh agent" that holds the private keys and (temporarily) stores their passphrase | 30-Mar-11 16:46 |
| 4089 | Andreas | The public keys are stored in $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys for the respective users | 30-Mar-11 16:45 |
| 4088 | MaxV | See http://support.suso.com/supki/SSH_Tutorial_for_Linux | 30-Mar-11 16:12 |
| 4087 | MaxV | I don't think you should care about that, just use:
username-a: "my_string"
username-b: "my_other_string"
call (reform [ "ssh" username-a mycommands etc] ) However ssh stores files in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 30-Mar-11 16:12 |
| 4086 | Robert | I want to use PK authentification with SSH from my client account but be able to use two or more different logins. So, one PK for Username-A, one for Username-B etc. How do I set this up? How do I have to name my local private keys in that SSH will find them? How and where to store the public keys on the server? | 30-Mar-11 7:59 |
| 4085 | Andreas | :) | 10-Mar-11 16:01 |
| 4084 | Cyphre | so no I realized I'm talkind to you, Andreas :)) | 10-Mar-11 16:00 |
| 4083 | Cyphre | ah...I owerlooked the name..you have almost identical 'nick color' ! :) | 10-Mar-11 16:00 |
| 4082 | Andreas | that was more directed towards massimiliano than towards you :) | 10-Mar-11 15:59 |
| 4081 | Cyphre | As I said I have neither time nor personal need to become 'linux font master' so in fact I'm not 'pressed' by anything ;) I'll left this part to others. | 10-Mar-11 15:59 |
| 4080 | Andreas | (for discovering fonts, that is) | 10-Mar-11 15:58 |
| 4079 | Andreas | fontconfig is to the best of _my_ knowledge the most wide-spread thing you can use | 10-Mar-11 15:58 |
| 4078 | Andreas | i fear you'll be hard-pressed to come up with a very general solution | 10-Mar-11 15:56 |
| 4077 | Andreas | http://behdad.org/text/ may provide some interesting background reading | 10-Mar-11 15:55 |
| 4076 | Cyphre | But as I see from your wondering about different font names etc. I feel you are realizing this won't be an easy task ;) Anyway, if you want to be helpful, just go for it! | 10-Mar-11 15:55 |
| 4075 | MaxV | OK | 10-Mar-11 15:54 |
| 4074 | Cyphre | MaxV: It's all about writin a proposal 'how to solve the font issues on Linux' then it can be discussed in some more serious way and in the end it can be implemented in future releases of R2. So there is nothing that blocks you to do the research and propose a solution. | 10-Mar-11 15:52 |
| 4073 | MaxV | Copyright Adobe 1994-1997 | 10-Mar-11 15:52 |
| 4072 | MaxV | Even helvetica doesn't exist! | 10-Mar-11 15:52 |
| 4071 | MaxV | Or an alert message "/usr/share/fonts/... not found!" | 10-Mar-11 15:51 |
| 4070 | Cyphre | font differences: ofcourse Arial doesn't exist on Linux...unless you install MS fonts. See my note about 'matching table'...such stuff is definitely needed. | 10-Mar-11 15:50 |
| 4069 | MaxV | However Mandriva, Suse/Novell, Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu use the followings: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/feefont /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont I think it could be fixed. | 10-Mar-11 15:49 |
| 4068 | MaxV | I noticed a difference between Linux and Windows: Widndows: ? system/view/vid/vid-styles/text/font == "arial" Linux: ? system/view/vid/vid-styles/text/font == "helvetica" Is it normal? | 10-Mar-11 15:47 |
| 4067 | Cyphre | MaxV: regarding the example question above: the answer is easy: in this example the font is rendered using the 'Engine1' (see the msg above) then the output is cvonverted to bitmap(image) and the image is rendered as texture using perspective transformation. So in the end the 'Engine2' is not used in the example in any way. | 10-Mar-11 15:12 |
| 4066 | Cyphre | To clarify the 'font issue' a bit: In REBOL2 there are two different 'font engines': engine1: is used when you set face/text field engine2: is used when you use face/effect: [draw [text "..."]] On Windows both engines use the same OS functions for the font handling. Therefore no differencies are seen at the script level. On Linux the Engine1 us using some X-windows api and the Engine2 is using FreeType2 library. The X-windows font api doesn't support antialiasing and the font output in general is not so nice (depending on the distro). The FreeType2 lib has better font quality output and also supports antialiasing but you have to know the full-path to the font file. Currently noone suggested any efficient method how to get the 'font path' in unified way (considering the 'mess' between different Linux distros). When I tried to investigate a bit someone pointed me to the FontConfig lib that should take care of this problem on Linux. But: 1. I don'r know if the fontconfig is really widely supported and what other 'framewrorks' are possible on the rest of distros that don't have fontconfig... 2. I don't know how easy/hard is to get the info from fontconfig, havent studied it 3. as I said I'm not using Linux for desktop stuff so it is nto my high-priority item. Another solution is to intorduce something like global font-path in the Rebol system object which would be used for the font lookup. This variable could be set individually by user or author of the rebol program. We could also provide some font-name/type->font-file matching table but that would take some research as well and won't work for all setups. But at least something. So If anyone here from the 'Linux power users' group knows a good solution or even propose a prototype of the solution I believe Carl will be glad for your help. | 10-Mar-11 15:08 |
| 4065 | MaxV | May you explain me why this works under Linux and no font PATH is requested?
REBOL [
title: "SW-like scroller by Cyphre"
author: cyphre@seznam.cz
] scr-size: 640x220 scrl: scr-size * 0x1 c1: scrl c2: as-pair scr-size/x / 2.5 scr-size/y / 5 c3: as-pair scr-size/x - (scr-size/x / 2.5) c2/y view/new layout [ origin 0 bx: box scr-size effect [draw [] gradcol 0x-1 sky black] with [feel: none] ] while [not empty? system/view/screen-face/pane][ scrl/2: scrl/2 - 1 img: to-image t-face: make face [edge: none color: black size: scr-size text: system/license font: make font [size: 20 style: 'bold color: white] para: make para [scroll: scrl]] if scrl/y < - second size-text t-face [ scrl/y: c1/y ] bx/effect/draw: [ pen black fill-pen black box 0x0 scr-size image img c2 c3 scr-size c1 ] show bx wait 0 ] ??????? | 10-Mar-11 13:25 |
| 4064 | BrianH | For R3, all graphics are done with AGG. Don't know yet about the font support on Linux. | 10-Mar-11 8:42 |
| 4063 | BrianH | R2 uses different methods to do regular graphics and Draw. Draw is done only with AGG, the rest of View is not. The font code is different. | 10-Mar-11 8:41 |
| 4062 | MaxV | My other question is: why Rebol find the fonts path for all dialects except DRAW? | 10-Mar-11 8:40 |
| 4061 | Tomc | I tend to use thing like stderr: open/direct/binary %/dev/stderr but am no longer petending to care about windows portability | 10-Mar-11 6:03 |
| 4060 | Maxim | rebol uses system fonts, so its the other way round, is there a way to know system font path. on linux no one has done any in-depth assessment if there is a single way to find out what are the installed fonts for *any* linux. | 9-Mar-11 19:24 |
| 4059 | MaxV | Is there a way to know Rebol font path? | 9-Mar-11 17:14 |
| 4058 | MaxV | ? system/view/vid/vid-styles/text/font "helvetica" so, is it enogh having helvetica font? No, I made a link to FreeSans.ttf this way: ln -s FreeSans.ttf helvetica.ttf but it doesn't work. I think that the path is wrong. The standard linux path now is: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/ so if Rebol path would be /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf , we have resolved all problems! | 9-Mar-11 17:13 |
| 4057 | Cyphre | MaxV: the problem on Linux is that there is no easy way how to get font path just by giving the font name + font type.( Windows does that automatically) If you know how to do it in Linux so it works on all distributions that would be helpful. (Maybe it would be enough to write some parser in rebol to get the font information from some place in the system, but I have no time to investigate this as I'm not using Linux for desktop stuff.) | 9-Mar-11 14:51 |
| 4056 | Oldes | You can check it on linux using: ? system/view/vid/vid-styles/text/font | 9-Mar-11 14:37 |
| 4055 | Oldes | On windows I think it's arial | 9-Mar-11 14:36 |
| 4054 | MaxV | But newbies need a working rebol on Linux., then they will choose their font. So, what is the default font on Rebol? | 9-Mar-11 12:41 |
| 4053 | Cyphre | yes, I'd suggest to choose some nice looking font(prefferably free one, but depends on you) on Linux and then use it with the app on all systems. | 9-Mar-11 9:52 |
| 4052 | Oldes | Better to choose a font which works on Linux... last time I used Rebol/View on linux, the default font look was very bad. | 9-Mar-11 9:35 |
| 4051 | MaxV | What is the default Font for Rebol? I could add this font package in Rebol linux installer. | 9-Mar-11 7:46 |
| 4050 | Cyphre | you can put the os specific setup into something like: switch system/version/4 [ 4 [ ;Linux ] 3 [ ;Windows ] ] | 8-Mar-11 21:08 |
| 4049 | Geocaching | Cyphre... THANKS SO MUCH!! It works... But now, how I can make my script working on both linux and windows with the same fonts look and feel? | 8-Mar-11 20:53 |
| 4048 | Cyphre | Under linux you need to setup the font object to be able use text rendered by DRAW dialect. So something like this should work: my-font: make face/font [ name: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf" ;replace with your path to font you want to use size: 12 ] view layout [ box snow 100x100 effect [ draw [ font my-font pen black text 10x10 "Red Box:" pen red fill-pen red box 10x30 80x50 ] ] ] | 8-Mar-11 20:47 |
| 4047 | Geocaching | When you try this under linux
view layout [
box snow 100x100 effect [
draw [
pen black
text 10x10 "Red Box:"
pen red
fill-pen red
box 10x30 80x50
]
]
] Only the snow box appears! Nothing is drawn into it... and rebol does not launch an error. THis confirms that the interpretation of the dialect is stopped when the 'text is reached. Under windows, no problem! | 8-Mar-11 20:41 |
| 4046 | Pekr | might be a font problem? Better wait for some real experts, though ... | 8-Mar-11 20:39 |
| 4045 | Geocaching | Actally, it seems that the interpretation of the draw dialect stops when encountering the 'text. | 8-Mar-11 20:33 |
| 4044 | Geocaching | Under windows, the text appears properly; but under linux, nothing appears. | 8-Mar-11 20:32 |
| 4043 | Geocaching | Hello, I encounter a problem with the draw dialect under linux (rebol/view 2.7.8). I have tried the following code from the official documentation: view layout [
box black 100x100 effect [
draw [
pen red
line 30x30 50x20 70x70 40x50 pen blue box 20x20 80x80 fill-pen 0.100.0 box 20x60 40x80 pen white text 8x25 "Example" fill-pen gold flood 2x2 ] ] ] | 8-Mar-11 20:31 |
| 4042 | ddharing | I'm not an expert on the port object, so I'm continuing to do research. | 8-Mar-11 19:56 |
| 4041 | Maxim | don't know what can be manipulated on the i/o ports | 8-Mar-11 19:46 |
| 4040 | Maxim | did you try looking at the port states? | 8-Mar-11 19:46 |
| 4039 | ddharing | You know, the Unix way of doing things. | 8-Mar-11 19:44 |
| 4038 | ddharing | Maxim, you're absolutely right. I am just thinking in terms of being pipe friendly on the Linux command line. | 8-Mar-11 19:43 |
| 4037 | Maxim | I mean, its probably less hassle and you'd already have it working by now ;-) I mean TCP server/clients can be as little as 5 lines each in rebol. | 8-Mar-11 19:37 |
| 4036 | Maxim | actually, using sockets is really simple. | 8-Mar-11 19:36 |