| # | User | Message | Date |
| 1939 | Gregg | He hasn't been here in a while though. | 23-Dec 19:59 |
| 1938 | Gregg | Try to contact him first. | 23-Dec 19:59 |
| 1937 | Endo | I see, I don't know if he is active or not, script is not that old. Normally should I post a new version? or try to contact him? | 22-Dec 16:20 |
| 1936 | Sunanda | If we're reasonably confident that Maxime is no longer actively maintaining scripts, then we can assign you joint ownership -- that would let you update the script. | 22-Dec 16:16 |
| 1935 | Endo | Is it possible to update a script on rebol.org that I'm not the owner? or should I upload a new version? I added set-top-most to window-util.r script. | 22-Dec 15:56 |
| 1934 | Janko | it's not that complex.. to see the gist of it you have to look at https://github.com/zostay/owasp-esapi-perl/blob/master/lib/OWASP/ESAPI/Codec/HTMLEntityCodec.pm (encode_character func) . I didn't intend to implement it in same way as calling function for every character didn't seem ideal for rebol. | 12-Nov 15:11 |
| 1933 | Janko | Has anyone tried to implement owasp ESAPI in rebol https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Enterprise_Security_API I started writing it yesterday, the most needed parts at least.. I intendo to post it on github.. | 12-Nov 15:07 |
| 1932 | Luis | Thanks, Graham, thanks Oldes. Rebol has the best community !. | 7-Nov 13:31 |
| 1931 | Oldes | btw... here is how I build the script from multiple source files: https://github.com/Oldes/rs/commit/472304a91b7fe640014e8a59cc5c7be5ba93075a | 7-Nov 7:41 |
| 1930 | Oldes | The cookies-daemon script is on github now - https://github.com/Oldes/rs/blob/master/builds/cookies-daemon_latest.r | 7-Nov 7:34 |
| 1929 | GrahamC | From 2003 ... the header dialect might work now though since the article was written http://www.compkarori.com/vanilla/display/HTTP+file+uploading | 7-Nov 6:48 |
| 1928 | GrahamC | I think you can just do that using post with a Content-type: multipart/form-data and send the boundary, and post size | 7-Nov 6:42 |
| 1927 | Luis | I need post data as multipart ( .jpg uploads from rebol as client ) looks like I need cookies-daemon_latest , but http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/cookies-daemon_latest.r is not accesible anymore .... | 7-Nov 5:04 |
| 1926 | Oldes | This is the right tool for converting fonts for the web usage - http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator (as it allows subsetting) At least for fonts with good copyrights. | 19-Oct 14:15 |
| 1925 | Robert | I use google web-fonts, works OK so far. | 18-Oct 12:58 |
| 1924 | Oldes | Ach.. so this tool is my solution: http://code.google.com/p/ttf2eot/ | 18-Oct 12:43 |
| 1923 | Oldes | As usually, problem is with IE compatibility. And in my case also need for extended chars. The best would be a tool where one could create or modify own fonts. http://openfontlibrary.org/fonts | 18-Oct 12:14 |
| 1922 | Oldes | Is there anybody using web fonts? I wonder what is the best way how to start. I know there is TypeKit, Google web fonts, http://kernest.com/ and maybe other. What I can say, Google must improve it as it's not working well enough. | 18-Oct 12:10 |
| 1921 | GrahamC | Rather than a beer, you may make a donation to Medecins Sans Frontieres in my name http://www.msf.ca/donate/donate-online/ :) | 10-Oct 5:59 |
| 1920 | GrahamC | Ah... the numbers of beers I am owed ... I just have to travel 1000s of miles to collect them! | 10-Oct 5:56 |
| 1919 | Tim | :) Signing off.. | 9-Oct 22:31 |
| 1918 | Tim | Just got the message back, yours too. So, I owe you a beer. Come on by and collect. | 9-Oct 18:20 |
| 1917 | Tim | :) Yes. Did I tell you that I'm a python programmer too? That python accepts single quotes? That I put in 'password' instead of "password". @#$%! So it got a symbol instead of a string? | 9-Oct 18:19 |
| 1916 | GrahamC | well, your password or userid must be incorrect | 9-Oct 18:15 |
| 1915 | Tim | >> send tim@akwebsoft.com "testing rebol" Net-log: ["Opening" "tcp" "for" "esmtp"] connecting to: mail.akwebsoft.com Net-log: [none "220"] Net-log: {220-host266.hostmonster.com ESMTP Exim 4.76 #1 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:12:54 -0600 } Net-log: {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, } Net-log: "220 and/or bulk e-mail." Net-log: [["EHLO" system/network/host] "250"] Net-log: {250-host266.hostmonster.com Hello bart [64.4.232.191]} Net-log: "250-SIZE 52428800" Net-log: "250-PIPELINING" Net-log: "250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN" Net-log: "250-STARTTLS" Net-log: "250 HELP" Net-log: ["Supported auth methods:" [plain login]] Net-log: ["WARNING! Using AUTH LOGIN."] Net-log: [ "AUTH LOGIN" "334" ] Net-log: "334 VXNlcm5hbWU6" Net-log: ["dGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20=" "334"] Net-log: "334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6" Net-log: ["dEhqMTk0OSc=" "235"] ** User Error: Server error: tcp 535 Incorrect authentication data ** Near: smtp-port: open [scheme: 'esmtp] either only | 9-Oct 18:13 |
| 1914 | GrahamC | trace? | 9-Oct 18:11 |
| 1913 | Tim | OK, down loaded 2.7.8.4.2 (for linux). Now I get 'tcp 535 Incorrect authentication data' | 9-Oct 18:11 |
| 1912 | GrahamC | So? You can run it again to replace the encapped version | 9-Oct 18:11 |
| 1911 | Tim | Where? Huh, I thought it was compiled in.. | 9-Oct 18:07 |
| 1910 | GrahamC | Get the latest esmtp protocol | 9-Oct 18:06 |
| 1909 | GrahamC | 2.7.8.3.1 | 9-Oct 18:05 |
| 1908 | Tim | Not sure what to do about the 'old protocol'. Is there a way to change it? I'm using 2.6.2.4.2 | 9-Oct 18:04 |
| 1907 | GrahamC | >> set-net [tim@akwebsoft.com mail.akwebsoft.com mail.akwebsoft.com none none none tim@akwebsoft.com "****" ] >> send tim@akwebsoft.com "testing" Net-log: ["Opening" "tcp" "for" "esmtp"] connecting to: mail.akwebsoft.com Net-log: [none "220"] Net-log: {220-host266.hostmonster.com ESMTP Exim 4.76 #1 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:00:11 -0600 } Net-log: {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, } Net-log: "220 and/or bulk e-mail." Net-log: [["EHLO" system/network/host] "250"] Net-log: {250-host266.hostmonster.com Hello Graham-PC [203.97.98.9]} Net-log: "250-SIZE 52428800" Net-log: "250-PIPELINING" Net-log: "250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN" Net-log: "250-STARTTLS" Net-log: "250 HELP" Net-log: ["Supported auth methods:" [plain login]] Net-log: ["WARNING! Using AUTH LOGIN."] Net-log: [ "AUTH LOGIN" "334" ] Net-log: "334 VXNlcm5hbWU6" Net-log: ["dGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20=" "334"] Net-log: "334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6" Net-log: ["KioqKg==" "235"] ** User Error: Server error: tcp 535 Incorrect authentication data ** Near: smtp-port: open [scheme: 'esmtp] either only | 9-Oct 18:00 |
| 1906 | GrahamC | Maybe you're using an old esmtp protocol .. as mine sends EHLO | 9-Oct 17:57 |
| 1905 | GrahamC | As a result, the servere does not advertise any authentication methods | 9-Oct 17:57 |
| 1904 | GrahamC | The rebol client should send "EHLO" and not "HELO" | 9-Oct 17:56 |
| 1903 | Tim | >> send tim@akwebsoft.com "testing rebol" Net-log: ["Opening" "tcp" "for" "esmtp"] connecting to: mail.akwebsoft.com Net-log: [none "220"] Net-log: {220-host266.hostmonster.com ESMTP Exim 4.76 #1 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:45:39 -0600 } Net-log: {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, } Net-log: "220 and/or bulk e-mail." Net-log: [["HELO" system/network/host] "250"] Net-log: {250 host266.hostmonster.com Hello bart [64.4.232.191]} Net-log: ["AUTH CRAM-MD5" "334"] Net-log: ["WARNING! Using plain authentication."] Net-log: [{AUTH PLAIN dGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20AdGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20AdEhqMTk0OSc=} "235" ] ** User Error: Server error: tcp 503 AUTH command used when not advertised ** Near: smtp-port: open [scheme: 'esmtp] either only | 9-Oct 17:47 |
| 1902 | Tim | Following is error trace. | 9-Oct 17:47 |
| 1901 | Tim | And thanks Henrik. I see the pencil. Any ideas anyone? | 9-Oct 17:38 |
| 1900 | Tim | got it Kaj and been there. Will use. | 9-Oct 17:38 |
| 1899 | Kaj | http://rebolforum.com | 9-Oct 16:26 |
| 1898 | Henrik | Tim, click the pencil, then you can easily share multiple lines of code. | 9-Oct 16:00 |
| 1897 | Tim | Have I used set-net properly? :) the ML appears to have died. I find this very cumbersome for sharing code. Any other place for support? | 9-Oct 15:49 |
| 1896 | Tim | set-net [tim@mydomain.com mail.mydomain.com mail.mydomain.com none none none tim@mydomain.com '*******'] where 'mydomain' replaces my domain and asterisk obfuscate the password, if I send a message I get the following : connecting to: mail.mydomain.com ** User Error: Server error: tcp 503 AUTH command used when not advertised ** Near: smtp-port: open [scheme: 'esmtp] either only | 9-Oct 15:48 |
| 1895 | Tim | OOPS! I have a problem send email with authentication required. using the following | 9-Oct 15:46 |
| 1894 | Tim | Well, I've been using rebol for 11 years, but never have used altme for support. But I have a | 9-Oct 15:43 |
| 1893 | Kaj | But you have to train your users on it | 3-Jun 17:21 |
| 1892 | Kaj | I just have an extra field short-name | 3-Jun 17:21 |
| 1891 | onetom | do u specify the slug manually or let some automatism hint u with a possibility 1st? | 3-Jun 17:16 |
| 1890 | Oldes | http://typekit.com/ | 3-Jun 16:38 |
| 1889 | PeterWood | No, it;s two hoon in this part of the world. | 3-Jun 13:41 |
| 1888 | Kaj | 1/4" would be 0.25-inch | 3-Jun 13:07 |
| 1887 | Kaj | Yes, readability is a problem, so URLs are often more optimised for search engines than for human readers | 3-Jun 13:05 |
| 1886 | onetom | it's not a news site, so there might be issues with the unqueness of the slug and other things like, i might need to display the nominal size of the part which is a fraction in many cases, lile 1-1/4" which wouldnt read nice at all if i have to replace the slash. the dbl quote might be okay to omit though | 3-Jun 13:04 |
| 1885 | Kaj | I use a unique identifier such as a date, followed by a textual description in the rest of the URL | 3-Jun 13:04 |
| 1884 | Kaj | A structured description in a title tag would be OK, but it seems that URLs help extra | 3-Jun 13:03 |
| 1883 | onetom | Q3: do u know any article describing best practices regarding permalinks/slugs? | 3-Jun 13:03 |
| 1882 | Kaj | Search engines don't use meta keywords anymore | 3-Jun 13:02 |
| 1881 | onetom | Q2: would it be okay to add the slug as an extra path level, like stackoverflow.com does? | 3-Jun 13:01 |
| 1880 | onetom | Q1: im not very sure about how much more effective from a SEO point of view to have a slug in the URL as opposed to keywords in meta tags and the same description as in the title of the page for example. | 3-Jun 13:00 |
| 1879 | onetom | it would however look cryptic and wouldn't empasize what is that page about, so we were thinking about attaching a slug to it, to help human usage and search engines too. | 3-Jun 12:53 |
| 1878 | onetom | im wondering what is the best way of providing permalinks for mechanical parts, like pipe fittings. i'd like to provide a catalog of them for a couple of companies. each company has their own part number system which unambigously identifies a product. i would expose a description page about these as: /company/part-number | 3-Jun 12:50 |
| 1877 | Kaj | The Googel Webfonts home page drives my Firefox 3.5 into a crash loop | 2-Jun 20:15 |
| 1876 | Robert | Yep... thx. It should work for most people of course. | 2-Jun 20:07 |
| 1875 | Cyphre | I just noted that so you know. It depends how much you care about the backward compatibility etc. | 2-Jun 20:04 |
| 1874 | Robert | IE9 looks the same as Safari, no problems. | 2-Jun 20:02 |
| 1873 | Cyphre | Also such fonts will work properly only in newer browsers..the binariage site looks terribly in IE8 for example. | 2-Jun 19:58 |
| 1872 | Cyphre | yes, the google api is probably using the fontdeck site internaly. | 2-Jun 19:55 |
| 1871 | Robert | Seems to work via Google as well: http://www.google.com/webfonts/family?family=Play&subset=latin#code | 2-Jun 19:52 |
| 1870 | Cyphre | I did just quick look at the site and it seems it uses this service http://fontdeck.com | 2-Jun 19:47 |
| 1869 | Robert | I have a question regarding fonts on web-sites: Take a look at this one here: http://www.binaryage.com/ It uses a font called PLAY which I like a lot. This font wasn't installed on my system, but the web-site displayed it. It's even not one of the standard web fonts I know. Why does this work? | 2-Jun 19:34 |
| 1868 | onetom | http://code.google.com/p/js-test-driver/ this seems to be some serious shit... the guy who is writing the angular.js framework can run 300 unit tests in 400ms on the 10K lines code base. | 25-May 18:18 |
| 1867 | AdrianS | yeah, I know what you mean, but a browser is such a constantly used tool that a few shortcuts are worth memorizing, IMO | 21-May 20:06 |
| 1866 | Maxim | bah, I've learnt so many keyboard shortcuts in my life (with a past in vfx and innumerable 3d & fx softwares ;-) that my memory for such things is pretty full. | 19-May 2:47 |
| 1865 | AdrianS | so why not use keyboard shortcuts? | 16-May 12:40 |
| 1864 | Maxim | don't get me wrong, I like that FF is conscious about screen real estate.... its just that opening a window with no buttons, is a bit drastic. I hate pulldown menus because they are extremely slow. | 14-May 4:27 |
| 1863 | onetom | finally i dont have to start with turning off the bookmarks bar on a fresh install. most ppl dont use it anyway... and probably FF maker have *measuered* this. and giving more space for the content worth more than bookmarking | 14-May 2:34 |
| 1862 | onetom | u seem to be a prisoner of your habits. toolbars? in a browser? what is the good for? :) | 14-May 2:32 |
| 1861 | Maxim | ah, I just put back some toolbars which are off by default... making a bit more sense. | 13-May 21:30 |
| 1860 | Maxim | wow, the new FF really is annoying :-) what is it with browser makers... they just keep making their stuff more and more aggravating to use. | 13-May 21:27 |
| 1859 | onetom | angular is a js library which interprets special tags, attributes and element values in the dom and sets up an event handler system behind the scenes which keeps model objects in sync w the dom content (back and forth) | 1-May 11:36 |
| 1858 | GrahamC | Sounds like a neat idea .. less is better ! | 30-Apr 21:00 |
| 1857 | GrahamC | So, angular is a DSL that is compiled into JS client side to handle all the dom manipulation and other stuff that you would normally have to write JS to do ...or use Jquery functions. | 30-Apr 20:59 |
| 1856 | onetom | and yes, i have a site using angular, but it's a work in progress, so i can't show it publicly. privmsg me if u r interested | 30-Apr 12:59 |
| 1855 | onetom | http://misko.hevery.com/2010/07/29/a-radically-different-way-of-building-ajax-apps/ here is a video about angular. it's one hour but it worth very much to watch. | 30-Apr 12:55 |
| 1854 | GrahamC | onetom, do you have a site using this angularisjs ? | 30-Apr 2:14 |
| 1853 | onetom | Pekr: what else then if not jquery? | 29-Apr 20:26 |
| 1852 | Pekr | Janko - what do you think about - http://gwt-ext.com/ ? | 29-Apr 6:56 |
| 1851 | Pekr | Maxim - then I don't support those that win, nor am I interested to win :-) I thought that' why we are here in the first place :-) Or we could all be using php, Ruby, or any new trend which appears :-) | 29-Apr 6:55 |
| 1850 | Maxim | "The ones that win are the ones that ship." ;-) | 29-Apr 6:53 |
| 1849 | Pekr | jQuery is imo typical example of another so called standard the world has choosen, and yet again the wrong one :-) Even MS suggests it to use with SharePoint .... | 29-Apr 6:53 |
| 1848 | onetom | Janko: we tried http://angularjs.org recently. it also does client side html templating BUT in 2 ways. the merged data can update itself inside the template and also if some input fields change, the corresponding model variables reflect this change automatically. the best framework i've seen so far & u can mix it easily with jquery or mootools | 29-Apr 4:39 |
| 1847 | Janko | UsrJoy and InvoiceFox generate 90% of html on client side. I have few weird (functional-ish (as in functional programming)) ideas how to do this: I use http://code.google.com/p/jsgoo/ http://refaktor.si/demos/jsgoo/ for this | 29-Apr 2:50 |
| 1846 | Janko | about JS libs:
I don't use jQuery .. it's oweblown for what I want (I don't need it to reinvent javascript). If I need any complex components like datepicker (which I don't want to reinvent) I use mootools usually (because you can use just needed parts of it). jQuery UI modules (which has this) are very very slow and CSS is so complex I don't even start to get it how to customize it. Dojo always seemed this mega lib that I don't want either. If I go to their demos (at least last time I looked) everything is slow and unresponsive. I want my things to be slim on code and snappy. Prototype (mootools does this also, but I think a little less) is first generation JS lib (that started it all). I think it heavily monkey patches the core JS/DOM objects.. thats why I don't like it. I also neve use css3 selectors in my JS code (that is a major part why people use jquery and likes). I always move relative to an element with seekFwd, seekIn, seekOut, seekBack fuctions I have or just use ID of element (and then seek if needed). | 29-Apr 2:48 |
| 1845 | Maxim | it has a nice retrospect of HTML and tackles a single question... "why do we have an <IMG> tag in html?"... the answer is surprisingly simple and evocative:
"The ones that win are the ones that ship." funny... the leading OS is called WINdows ;-) | 28-Apr 19:59 |
| 1844 | Maxim | I haven't finished reading, but so far I like it. I like the writing style. | 28-Apr 19:39 |
| 1843 | Maxim | a good resource I found to start using HTML 5 and help make those pages work somewhat backwards compatible on non html5 browsers. http://diveintohtml5.org/ | 28-Apr 19:38 |
| 1842 | Oldes | I must correct myself.. I don't want to write my own JS stuff anymore... I just found that one old script (simple menu running on the site many years) stopped working in IE8. I don't want to deal with browser's (un)compatibilities anymore.. better to use an obscure framework or don't use JS at all. | 15-Feb-11 22:24 |
| 1841 | Reichart | I recently used Kompozer to build a quick site to fix a friend's site that was so bad I figured I could at least spend a few hours and take it from a 1 to a 6 (scale one to ten).
There are a few variations of Kompozer. But Kompozer is the best of them. It still sucks though. When you do view source it does not put your cursor where you expect it to. It is nightmarish to figure out how to edit tables. But, over all, if you keep things simple, it works well enough. "mobile browsing expected to outpace desktop access in 3-5 years." Most of the world lives on their cell phones. As to JavaScript Frameworks to fix the biggest human fail in computer history (that being that we use HTML+JavaScript to build UserInterface), having headed the creation of a complete UI system that is delivered through the web, I will say the following: - Find something that handles Tables (grids, lists) well. Make sure it does verything you need. - Make a list for yourself of widgets you care about, and confirm (assume nothing) about the level of detail with which they operate. For example, Imagine 3 radio buttons, on the web they have no default state, and some interfaces allow them to operate like checkboxes, not radio buttons. Again, assume nothing! - Confirm, for yourself, they work on the platforms you care about. Nothing works on everything, even when they claim it. I did not want to build Quilt, but we still don't know anything that comes close other than Tibco's crap, and I'm not sure they even sell it anymore. (I recall it was like $100K). | 14-Feb-11 18:26 |
| 1840 | Maxim | I've also heard good comments about dojo. it looks better architectured overall, but that is just an impression. | 14-Feb-11 15:06 |
| 1839 | Reichart | We use Quilt for Qtask, custom written of course. | 12-Feb-11 16:37 |
| 1838 | PeterWood | I used dojo a litle a whwile ago, I found the event handling very clean. I've read that dojo is stronger for single page apps that many of the other frameworks. | 12-Feb-11 13:07 |
| 1837 | GrahamC | user | 12-Feb-11 9:22 |
| 1836 | GrahamC | I think dockimbel is also JQuery | 12-Feb-11 9:22 |
| 1835 | Oldes | I can imagine REBOL dialect to build code for many such a toolkits, but as I say.. I don't want to spend time on it at this moment. | 12-Feb-11 9:21 |
| 1834 | Oldes | but checking your links, I quite like Dojo | 12-Feb-11 9:18 |
| 1833 | GrahamC | I still also maintain another site in YUI | 12-Feb-11 9:18 |
| 1832 | GrahamC | AFAIK, everyone here is using JQuery, or, have written their own frameworks | 12-Feb-11 9:18 |
| 1831 | Oldes | I'm using jQuery, becuase I'm lazy to write own stuff (which I consider better in most cases, because I usually need only minimal functionality provided by the jQuery) and want to spend as less time working on web as possible so I do not examine other frameworks. | 12-Feb-11 9:12 |
| 1830 | GrahamC | and of course it has to be released | 12-Feb-11 9:07 |
| 1829 | GrahamC | I'm still using JQuery .. but it's a hard slog. But I might switch to using Enyo if it's as good as it looks | 12-Feb-11 9:07 |
| 1828 | Pekr | It is a long time I last looked into ajax libraries. I know I tend not to use mainstream stuff, but often based upon coolness of the technology :-) Many ppl talk jquery, even MS is adopting it for SharePoint, but what about e.g.: Mootools YUI - http://yuilibrary.com/ Dojo Toolkit - http://dojotoolkit.org/ Sencha Touch - http://www.sencha.com/ DHTMLx - http://dhtmlx.com/ Prototype - http://www.prototypejs.org/ SmartGWT (successor to GWT) - http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/#main http://dojotoolkit.org/ Any experience, preference? What are YOU using? | 12-Feb-11 9:01 |
| 1827 | Maxim | yeah the first not crappy plasma screens where 60000$ and they didn't come down for a long time. | 1-Feb-11 7:17 |
| 1826 | Steeve | Between prototype and cheap commercialization, it can be decades. I remember having seen large flat screen TV proto in the early 80's (plasma). We had to wait until 2005+ to be able to buy them at low prices. | 1-Feb-11 7:05 |
| 1825 | AdrianS | I'm not sure that there will be a distinction between mobile browsing and desktop browsing for too much longer (no longer than a decade, IMO). Just a few more tech advances in battery life will allow for practical pico projectors to be included into any mobile device. An alternative that increases viewable area is foldable displays - they exist already in prototype form - just need to be commercialized. HUDs and retinal displays are others. These are not sci-fi anymore. But if you're just talking about the next couple of years or so, I agree. | 31-Jan-11 3:46 |
| 1824 | Maxim | designing for a small browser still requires re-designing the layout. no way round that. | 30-Jan-11 0:14 |
| 1823 | GrahamC | Or that mobile browsers will just cope | 29-Jan-11 23:26 |
| 1822 | GrahamC | I'm hoping that whatever framework I use will automatically adapt :) | 29-Jan-11 23:26 |
| 1821 | Ashley | Exactly, and there's the opportunity as most people (and tools) are still stuck with a "mywebsite.com for desktops and mywebsite.com/m for mobiles" model. | 29-Jan-11 23:11 |
| 1820 | GrahamC | it means we will have to recode all our websites! | 29-Jan-11 23:02 |
| 1819 | AdrianS | why do you find it scary, Graham? | 29-Jan-11 21:56 |
| 1818 | Henrik | Steve Jobs made a good point in an interview not long ago: "PC's are going to be like trucks. Less people will need them. And this is going to make some people uneasy." | 29-Jan-11 20:39 |
| 1817 | GrahamC | That's scary if true .. mobile browsing expected to outpace desktop access in 3-5 years. | 29-Jan-11 20:04 |
| 1816 | Ashley | Yes, I'm using it to generate web sites for clients ... but I want to add support for mobile devices (via jQuery Mobile) and solve the "one website for desktops, another for mobiles" problem (via "Responsive Web Design" techniques - see http://www.alistapart.com/articles/responsive-web-design | 29-Jan-11 9:44 |
| 1815 | GrahamC | Ashley didn't you have some web dialect you were doing? | 28-Jan-11 23:35 |
| 1814 | Robert | If you are on OSX take a look at Rapidweaver. Really good. | 28-Jan-11 22:56 |
| 1813 | Ashley | It's HTML5/CSS3 support looks good. | 28-Jan-11 22:08 |
| 1812 | Kaj | It seems to be usable by now, but I have no experience with it | 28-Jan-11 13:43 |
| 1811 | Kaj | http://bluegriffon.org | 28-Jan-11 13:43 |
| 1810 | Kaj | I just remembered that there's a successor to KompoZer: | 28-Jan-11 13:43 |
| 1809 | Kaj | If Frontpage is the alternative, WebMatrix looks a lot better. However, it's focused on developers and complex backends. If the goal is simple web pages for a common user, KompoZer is probably better, and more in the ballpark of Frontpage | 27-Jan-11 16:08 |
| 1808 | Henrik | Just don't use Frontpage. If you end up having to edit the pages later by hand, it's faster simply to build them by hand. | 27-Jan-11 8:38 |
| 1807 | Ashley | Would using any modern word processor then saving as HTML be any worse than Frontpage? ;) I wouldn't do a complex site this way, but for a couple of static pages it may suffice. | 27-Jan-11 5:02 |
| 1806 | Kaj | Sadly, no | 27-Jan-11 0:03 |
| 1805 | BrianH | Are there any decent alternatives to it? | 27-Jan-11 0:01 |
| 1804 | Kaj | It still has a lot of quirks, though | 26-Jan-11 23:59 |
| 1803 | Kaj | There's been a lull in KompoZer development, but it's reasonable now | 26-Jan-11 23:59 |
| 1802 | BrianH | I haven't used Nvu or Kompozer for years, and only use code editors for my web work (or don't do web front end stuff at all). | 26-Jan-11 23:42 |
| 1801 | BrianH | Is anyone here familiar with the current state of WYSIWYG web designers? Are there any decent current free ones? I'm only familiar with Kompozer (the new Nvu) and have heard good things about WebMatrix. This is for a person familiar with Frontpage, but I'm trying to disuade them from using it (for all our sakes), and don't want to encourage piracy of Dreamweaver or Expression Web. | 26-Jan-11 23:40 |
| 1800 | Kaj | Many of the concepts are a lot like how I started the first phase of my CMS three years ago, but the implementation is a bit different | 24-Sep-10 23:10 |
| 1799 | Graham | http://it.linkedin.com/in/ingdariogiacomelli anyone game to test it out? | 24-Sep-10 22:08 |
| 1798 | Henrik | wow, interesting | 24-Sep-10 21:50 |
| 1797 | Steeve | From Dario Giacomelli Registered on the R3 chat as Dario | 24-Sep-10 21:47 |
| 1796 | Sunanda | MaxV spots an interesting product for website generation. Written in REBOL: http://synapse-ehr.com/forums/showthread.php?139-Rebol-CMS | 24-Sep-10 21:40 |
| 1795 | Robert | Petr, I think you need to take a look into curl stuff for this. | 23-Sep-10 18:17 |
| 1794 | Maxim | building the wget is trivial in rebol... but you still need the http calls to support cookies. though we can probably probe the headers for cookie returns in newer R2 versions. | 23-Sep-10 14:11 |
| 1793 | Pekr | what for? :-) we have wget like tool for rebol? | 23-Sep-10 14:08 |
| 1792 | Maxim | use the cookie-enabled http protocols on rebol.org (by Cyphre IIRC) | 23-Sep-10 14:04 |
| 1791 | Pekr | any tips for wget tool allowing to go via form authentication? We need to make off-line copy of one site. The site works only from one PC at a time from our organisation, it seems it uses cookies or so .... | 23-Sep-10 13:53 |
| 1790 | Maxim | has anyone here worked on a firefox plugin before? | 1-Sep-10 7:17 |
| 1789 | Gabriele | (for example, when he says that "the calculation of a subtotal belogs to the view", i disagree that the actual code to compute the sum belongs to the view. the view should allow for declaratively defining such kind of things. page subtotals, for example, was a feature i intended to have in PDF Maker 2 tables - since you don't know where the table is going to be split at, the engine has to be able to do the work for you.) | 28-Aug-10 9:29 |
| 1788 | Gabriele | In my approach, the mapping between the data and the "view" is defined by a dialect. I guess, one might want to make at least part of that mapping part of the view; this does not change the fact that the template file can then be simple HTML. "Formatting" to me does not seem a templating issue though. It's about localization and customization (different users will want different formats for dates, and almost everything else). So, this is a completely separate axis. As Carl often says... the problem is multidimensional, reducing it just to "model" and "view" is not really going to work. | 28-Aug-10 9:27 |
| 1787 | AdrianS | @Gabriele - I'd like to hear your comments on what this article says (in sec 2.3) about allowing some basic expressions in the view, wrt your templating engine? http://www.simple-is-better.org/template/#why-if-for-calculations-etc-are-necessary-in-the-view | 28-Aug-10 5:34 |
| 1786 | Graham | they've been running for 4 years now .. so I guess that's a little reassurance | 15-Aug-10 0:36 |
| 1785 | Graham | I guess if one wanted this sort of security ... one would want your private data copied from their S3 store to your own somehow. | 15-Aug-10 0:29 |
| 1784 | AdrianS | actually for grid computing, I meant when you need huge power - otherwise, a grid of personal computing devices could constitute a powerful enough grid | 15-Aug-10 0:12 |
| 1783 | AdrianS | that's why my view is that you should always own your stuff - the cloud should only be used as a temporary cache, or when you need grid computing - just some infrastructure that can be easily substituted with another | 15-Aug-10 0:10 |
| 1782 | AdrianS | I think this fear of having to redo a bunch of effort is keeping quite a few sites from really breaking through - you only feel confident about these kind of features from already established sites | 15-Aug-10 0:07 |
| 1781 | AdrianS | looks pretty nice, but the question (as for so many other web apps) is - will it be there tomorrow if I put all my stuff on it? | 15-Aug-10 0:04 |
| 1780 | Graham | umm.. perhaps you have to do something .. how about this ? http://diigo.com/0ca2d | 14-Aug-10 23:02 |
| 1779 | Graham | If you add a public annotation, then any diigo enabled browser will see them. | 14-Aug-10 22:53 |
| 1778 | Graham | http://www.diigo.com Looks like an interesting way to add annotations to rebol.com etc and share them with others without actually altering the pages | 14-Aug-10 22:52 |
| 1777 | Robert | paypal has an example. It's pretty easy. | 19-Jun-10 9:46 |
| 1776 | Pekr | Any pointers of how to incorporate PayPal payment method into one's website? | 19-Jun-10 9:37 |
| 1775 | Janko | has anyone did anything about openId with rebol ? | 6-Jun-10 7:25 |
| 1774 | Graham | Interestingly this search engine has a REST interface so you can wrap your own custom search around it. 95k pages and still going ... | 15-May-10 21:03 |
| 1773 | Graham | interesting, I don't see it documented but it does use site: site:rebol.org sunanda | 14-May-10 19:22 |
| 1772 | Sunanda | Must be possible --- whe pages or sites are removed, or if they later post robots.txt exclusions. | 14-May-10 12:01 |
| 1771 | Graham | not sure how to drop something ... | 14-May-10 11:43 |
| 1770 | Sunanda | I think the REBOL.org archive is a better place to send people than then REBOL.net one for the ML (it has threads not just messages in id sequence). So perhaps index REBOL.org's then drop the REBOL.net one? | 14-May-10 11:26 |
| 1769 | Graham | I've already indexed the mailing list on rebol.net so I guess I should avoid ml-display-thread.r and display-message.r | 14-May-10 11:23 |
| 1768 | Graham | I wondered if that were the case | 14-May-10 11:20 |
| 1767 | Sunanda | [oops -- that was meant for Graham, privately] | 14-May-10 11:20 |
| 1766 | Sunanda | If you can get to them from the root, then they are fair game, unless .....they have a rel=nofollow......We have that on a few simply because they duplicate content (eg viewing a script, viewing a script in color, downloading a script ....Mailing list -- best to index either the individual posts (http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-message.r) or the complete threads (http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r) but not both. ....you may get a __lot__ of duplication when spidering the AltME archive as every post has a URL, but we display in batches of 50.....So perhaps only spider URLs like http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp291xNNNN when NNNN is 1, 51, 101, 151, etc.... ....I think You already have indexed the ML as on REBOL.,net and Carl's latest 300 AltME messages, eg http://mail.rebol.net/cgi-bin/mail-list.r?msg=45305 http://host4.altme.com/altweb/rebol3/chat771.html It would be better _not_ to have index those; it just creates duplicates once you have indexed the equivalents on REBOL.org (especially as the AltMe last 300 goes out of date so quickly). Tell me what is unclear there! | 14-May-10 11:19 |
| 1765 | Graham | Looks like you can have a great deal of fun setting up the search engine parameters | 13-May-10 9:22 |
| 1764 | Graham | featured links | 13-May-10 9:20 |
| 1763 | Graham | Try searching for "beer" alone ... I found out how to do suggested links | 13-May-10 9:19 |
| 1762 | Graham | There's a lot to be said for a custom site specific search engine. | 13-May-10 2:29 |
| 1761 | Graham | Try searching for beer on this engine as opposed to google! | 13-May-10 2:29 |
| 1760 | Maxim | cool, we get both functions near the top (R2 & R3) so looks like the search engine is stepping up its results :-) | 12-May-10 22:58 |
| 1759 | Graham | 5, 183 | 12-May-10 21:50 |
| 1758 | Graham | Collection is now 834mb ( 5, 138 documents ) | 12-May-10 21:50 |
| 1757 | Graham | 33.36k pages indexed | 12-May-10 21:43 |
| 1756 | Graham | Looking for construct now brings up http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/functions/construct.html as the top item | 12-May-10 21:43 |
| 1755 | Graham | if this construct page can't be found by any of the search engines ... is there a no robots directive ? | 12-May-10 20:29 |
| 1754 | Graham | Adding http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/ .... | 12-May-10 19:46 |
| 1753 | Graham | Hmm.. I had not exclusion rules for rebol.com ... you sure that there isn't a no robots directive higher in this path? | 12-May-10 19:46 |
| 1752 | Graham | Looks like my rules were too tight | 12-May-10 19:42 |
| 1751 | Graham | Last crawled 31 December 1969 16:00:00.000 PST Crawler status 760 - Excluded by crawl space definition Parser and index status 0 - The document has not been added to the index. | 12-May-10 19:42 |
| 1750 | Maxim | Andreas, you're right... same with using a title search with construct. it returns nothing. | 12-May-10 14:12 |
| 1749 | Maxim | I looked at the html source and it should clearly float to the top. strange... its got everything needed to be scored high (title, H1, and many counts of construct in the page). | 12-May-10 14:10 |
| 1748 | Andreas | Seems parts of the R3 docs are not (yet?) indexed: http://129.33.196.33/search/?query=url%3Aconstruct | 12-May-10 14:08 |
| 1747 | Andreas | I can't find Carl's desired http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/functions/construct.html at all in above results :) | 12-May-10 14:07 |
| 1746 | Andreas | well, one of carl's original issues looks just as bad with this search engine: http://129.33.196.33/search/?query=construct | 12-May-10 14:04 |
| 1745 | Graham | Looks like it might be using Oracle as the DB ... | 12-May-10 3:36 |
| 1744 | Graham | Probably has to be Carl as he is the one with the issues! | 12-May-10 3:34 |
| 1743 | Graham | Anyone want to do some comparison searchs between google, and this? | 12-May-10 3:29 |
| 1742 | Graham | And if so, we need a permanent host for it | 12-May-10 3:28 |
| 1741 | Graham | Well as I said someone has to decide if the quality of the search engine is good enough or not. | 12-May-10 3:26 |
| 1740 | Maxim | that was an example, but there are others... reboltutorial, Nick's learn programing site, Olde's flash site, rebol.org, rebol weekly news links, etc etc... I think that having a unique source for all of that rich rebol content is very usefull for everyone. | 12-May-10 2:53 |
| 1739 | Graham | I've started to crawl Brett's site .. hope he doesn't mind! | 12-May-10 2:05 |
| 1738 | Graham | Guess I could do ... but this is just to see if the engine is good enough. | 12-May-10 1:49 |
| 1737 | Maxim | you should also index other sites, like www.codeconscious.com/rebol which has the best complementary view information out there, . it has helped me on sooo many occasions. | 11-May-10 23:22 |
| 1736 | Graham | Finished now at 27k pages ... | 11-May-10 23:17 |
| 1735 | Graham | excluding http://www.rebol.net/w/* | 11-May-10 19:55 |
| 1734 | Graham | Should I exclude these http://www.rebol.net/w/index.php* ?? | 11-May-10 19:50 |
| 1733 | Graham | Perhaps it's just indexing the user names which are also drug names! http://129.33.196.33/search/?index=Default&query=albendazole&queryTimeout=3000&ref=http%3A%2F%2F129.33.196.33%3A80%2Fsearch%2F%3Fquery%3Dalbendazole%26queryTimeout%3D3000%26index%3DDefault | 11-May-10 19:48 |
| 1732 | Andreas | the history pages being _read_ is fine, their content being _indexed_ is not :) | 11-May-10 19:34 |
| 1731 | Graham | Except they are being read by my crawler .. | 11-May-10 19:30 |
| 1730 | Andreas | and they have `<meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" />` in their head to that effect, so simply reverting the change should be fine | 11-May-10 14:15 |
| 1729 | Andreas | the history pages are not supposed to be indexed | 11-May-10 14:14 |
| 1728 | Graham | ie. it remains in the revision history | 11-May-10 4:10 |
| 1727 | Graham | Is there anyway to delete wiki spam off rebol.net? If you just revert the page, the spam is still accessible to search engines and still gets indexed so the spammer still gets what they want. | 11-May-10 4:09 |
| 1726 | Paul | Anyone else use Concrete5 CMS? Pretty good stuff. | 2-May-10 1:50 |
| 1725 | Chris | I think the only downside of a data: url is it's not supported in IE, iirc. | 3-Apr-10 20:15 |
| 1724 | Will | and obviously you can have all the image data in a javascript file as well (for which you probably already have a longer cache expire set up) | 3-Apr-10 11:27 |
| 1723 | Will | remember to take care of client caching issues 8-) | 3-Apr-10 11:22 |
| 1722 | Ashley | Ah, even simpler then: ajoin [{<img src="data:image/} next suffix? file ";base64," enbase read/binary file {">}] Thanx. | 3-Apr-10 10:54 |
| 1721 | Gabriele | use ENBASE instead of trim/lines form etc. | 3-Apr-10 9:16 |
| 1720 | Maxim | COOL! I didn't know we could do this. | 2-Apr-10 14:05 |
| 1719 | Ashley | Code snippet to "inline" an image: string: trim/lines form read/binary file remove back tail string ajoin [{<img src="data:image/} next suffix? file ";base64," skip string 5 {">}] Adds about 30-50% to image size but reduces server fetches (important for wireless access). | 2-Apr-10 12:36 |
| 1718 | Paul | I was going crazy because Chrome was centering it just fine. | 21-Feb-10 15:14 |
| 1717 | Paul | Yeah I couuldn't figure out why I couldn't get the main container div to center on IE8. Kept messing with it and then read where you had to declare the DTD for it to center. | 21-Feb-10 15:14 |
| 1716 | Sunanda | Yeah, IE has different ideas on when to go to quirks mode. | 21-Feb-10 15:13 |
| 1715 | Paul | looks good on Chrome also. | 21-Feb-10 14:59 |
| 1714 | Paul | IE8 required the DTD spec in order make the div center. | 21-Feb-10 14:58 |
| 1713 | Paul | finally I got it to work!!! | 21-Feb-10 14:58 |
| 1712 | Paul | Alright I had done this before but it must be something broke with the div centering. | 21-Feb-10 14:56 |
| 1711 | Sunanda | If you look at the source of www.rebol.com you can see it done as simply as possible. | 21-Feb-10 14:52 |
| 1710 | Paul | Yeah, I tried that. Maybe I did something wrong. I'm going to try that again. | 21-Feb-10 14:48 |
| 1709 | Sunanda | Simple PRINT the doctype before the HTML, eg print <!doctype html> print <html lang="en"> print <head> etc | 21-Feb-10 14:48 |
| 1708 | Paul | Or rather how do we generate the DTD on output of the CGI | 21-Feb-10 14:41 |
| 1707 | Paul | I'm creating a forum and using R3 CGI to output a page. How do we send the Doctype to page? | 21-Feb-10 14:41 |
| 1706 | Sunanda | People having trouble because facebook not the first google result for [facebook login] http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/02/12/google_de_facto_internet_gateway/ | 13-Feb-10 10:36 |
| 1705 | Graham | Hmm.... it's not google search though .. | 30-Jan-10 6:51 |
| 1704 | Ashley | Interesting that Google will probably have more success in getting people to upgrade IE than MS! ;) | 30-Jan-10 6:47 |
| 1703 | Will | no more IE6 headaces 8-) | 30-Jan-10 0:28 |
| 1702 | Will | a better web is coming, just got this from google: Dear Google Apps admin, In order to continue to improve our products and deliver more sophisticated features and performance, we are harnessing some of the latest improvements in web browser technology. ÊThis includes faster JavaScript processing and new standards like HTML5. ÊAs a result, over the course of 2010, we will be phasing out support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as other older browsers that are not supported by their own manufacturers. We plan to begin phasing out support of these older browsers on the Google Docs suite and the Google Sites editor on March 1, 2010. ÊAfter that point, certain functionality within these applications may have higher latency and may not work correctly in these older browsers. Later in 2010, we will start to phase out support for these browsers for Google Mail and Google Calendar. Google Apps will continue to support Internet Explorer 7.0 and above, Firefox 3.0 and above, Google Chrome 4.0 and above, and Safari 3.0 and above. Starting next week, users on these older browsers will see a message in Google Docs and the Google Sites editor explaining this change and asking them to upgrade their browser. ÊWe will also alert you again closer to March 1 to remind you of this change. In 2009, the Google Apps team delivered more than 100 improvements to enhance your product experience. ÊWe are aiming to beat that in 2010 and continue to deliver the best and most innovative collaboration products for businesses. Thank you for your continued support! Sincerely, The Google Apps team | 30-Jan-10 0:27 |
| 1701 | Robert | Yes, it's an ARI tool. Very nice and simple to use. | 29-Dec-09 8:45 |
| 1700 | Mchean | Balsamiq Mockups Robert ? | 28-Dec-09 20:42 |
| 1699 | Robert | Not tested yet but that's the right idea. | 28-Dec-09 20:27 |
| 1698 | Robert | I use Balsamico for my mock-ups. I like the tool a lot. And it can convert mock-ups to code via emitters. | 28-Dec-09 20:27 |
| 1697 | Geomol | Many of the problems arise, because designers/developers/programmers try to make html do, what it wasn't supposed to do in the first place. When making a movie, one might start out by drawing a storyboard. Later in the process, a camera is used to shoot some film, and in the end a story is told, that may or may not be close to the original storyboard. But it works, because the final output (images within a frame) is the same kind of thoughts that goes into creating the storyboard (images within a frame). Designers think in the line of the final output, but html isn't wysiwyg, and the html technology might not be well suited for the ideas, the designer has. So problems arise. ... Or something. ;-) | 28-Dec-09 16:50 |
| 1696 | Pekr | Xara pretends to be such a tool, but otoh I did not found, how to easily adjust using code ..... http://www.xara.com/eu/products/webdesigner/features/ | 28-Dec-09 12:18 |
| 1695 | Reichart | Isn't the WHOLE thing simply insane? After all these years, there is not a tool that allows both programmers and artists to work on the SAME data? All strange... | 28-Dec-09 12:12 |
| 1694 | Henrik | I've once worked with this process of first having a designer building mockups in photoshop, then they were moved to Dreamweaver and I had to "graft" javascript on top of it, and whenever the designer made a change, I had to start from scratch. The customer demanded to see the site in full function. We moved so slowly, the project was dropped after a few months. Another time, I finished the project, but it took so long to do, because the design was nearly impossible to convert to HTML/JS. That was 5 years ago. And people are just realizing this now? | 28-Dec-09 10:51 |
| 1693 | Pekr | my friend works the opposite way - design proposals are done in Photoshop, then he cuts it into the markup .... (sometimes wondering it "feels" differently to what he originally did in Photoshop :-) | 28-Dec-09 10:40 |
| 1692 | Henrik | I don't get it... I've always built websites like that. Using a paint program to do it is just impossible. :-) | 28-Dec-09 10:23 |
| 1691 | Pekr | Interesting pov onto website creation - http://24ways.org/2009/make-your-mockup-in-markup | 28-Dec-09 9:45 |
| 1690 | Robert | On OSX you can use like every other library. Fully available via objective-c interface. | 19-Oct-09 9:55 |
| 1689 | Maxim | (webkit is the engine powering chrome and safari, if you wonder) | 18-Oct-09 23:05 |
| 1688 | Maxim | Any one looked at webkit, code-wise? I mean, using, has used, tried to use it, participating in it, anything. http://webkit.org/ | 18-Oct-09 22:37 |
| 1687 | Pekr | few different pixels here or there never mind :-) | 20-Sep-09 22:22 |
| 1686 | Maxim | welll all browsers render stuff differently, chrome FF and safari included. | 20-Sep-09 22:21 |
| 1685 | Henrik | Curiously I find you have to ask that quite often. Still so many IE users around. | 20-Sep-09 22:05 |
| 1684 | Dockimbel | There's also a page at 37signals.com advocating for web-based software : http://37signals.com/webbased One of the advantage listed is : "You’ll never have to ask “Is it compatible?”"...good joke:-) | 20-Sep-09 21:55 |
| 1683 | Oldes | I use mix of tables and CSS for layouts:) I don't remember exact cases now, but I had problems to do some layouts with just CSS (working not just in one browser). | 20-Sep-09 21:50 |
| 1682 | Maxim | the web is a good distibution system... its just about all it really does pefectly... and that's the only thing it was designed to do. I don't agree that web programming itself is easier, unless you really are doing easy apps. IMHO Rich clients are the best of both worlds combined into one seamless experience | 20-Sep-09 21:12 |
| 1681 | Will | http://www.kalzumeus.com/2009/09/05/desktop-aps-versus-web-apps/ | 20-Sep-09 20:59 |
| 1680 | Pekr | I'll go with table free design for layout. I talked to few ppl and most don't use table for layout anymore ... | 19-Jul-09 9:08 |
| 1679 | Janko | basically tables don't presend the "information structure" of the site well, that is why they don't degrade well, cause problems to screen readers.. etc | 18-Jul-09 22:20 |
| 1678 | Janko | I use tables to presend data that belongs into tables and where it makes sense. I didn't use tables for general layout in a long time. I am not any purist but I find other ways much better than tables for this. It can make quite messy code and they don't degrade well to smaller screens.. etc.. | 18-Jul-09 22:19 |
| 1677 | Chris | I'd possibly consider myself a CSS 'purist' - I like that it encourages a language oriented approach to page/site design (not a language of Rebol's calibre, indeed, but a nod in that direction : ) The trade off can be in the complexity in implementing layout, but really there are few patterns that have not been mapped out. | 18-Jul-09 20:17 |
| 1676 | Chris | Depends to what degree you use html to define visual aspects. The comparison above is talking old school page design where your markup contains all the bgcolors, widths, font colours, etc. (FrontPage-esque) Typically this approach does significantly increase page size. Using tables mainly as an alternative to <div> as a way to divide up page components in an otherwise CSS driven design isn't going to be at all costly in comparison. Actual bandwidth cost I guess is case specific. | 18-Jul-09 20:09 |
| 1675 | Henrik | sorry: "But it's ridiculous to assume that CSS/DIVs are the main bandwidth hogs for webpages.", should be: "But it's ridiculous to assume that tables are more of a bandwidth hog than CSS/DIVs for webpages." | 12-Jul-09 20:41 |
| 1674 | Henrik | Of all these points, perhaps accessability is the only valid reason for not using tables. If you know how to use CSS and DIVs to produce table-like results, fine. But it's ridiculous to assume that CSS/DIVs are the main bandwidth hogs for webpages. Sorry, not buying that. | 12-Jul-09 20:39 |
| 1673 | Pekr | thanks .... | 12-Jul-09 19:49 |
| 1672 | Sunanda | There have been close to holy wars between the CSS purists and those who use tables for everything. The best position is one that balances the needs and priorities of your website and development team's aptitudes. Here'ssome arguments for as few tables as possible for layout purposes (it's taken for granted that tables are good for tabular data): http://www.chromaticsites.com/blog/13-reasons-why-css-is-superior-to-tables-in-website-design/ | 12-Jul-09 19:46 |
| 1671 | Pekr | thanks. I can see e.g. big portals like our local http://www.idnes.cz using almost plain CSS. I noticed it on my cell phone, when FUP applied. The html is one long page, which then gets distributed around the site upon the CSS, once it is loaded .... | 12-Jul-09 19:34 |
| 1670 | Brock | Agreed with Henrik. If you aren't expecting the site to be on mulitple end-user hardware platforms and not expecting drastic user customizable styles, I don't see the need to avoid tables for the layout. CSS just for the fine-tuning. | 12-Jul-09 19:30 |
| 1669 | Henrik | I don't know what it is about doing table-free designs, but I personally think it's damn hard to do. You have some parameters that you can adjust for CSS that are cryptic and difficult to guess how the layout will be. With a table, you have cells, adjustment, width and many predictable elements. I think it's because CSS is underpowered for what it's meant to do, and the ability to separate design from content (desktop vs. phones) is a tad overrated, if it just makes site design and construction that much harder. | 12-Jul-09 19:06 |
| 1668 | Pekr | One question towards webdesign aproach. I need to red one site. I want to make it based upon CSS of course. Now I can see, that some sites use completly table-free design, simply one long html, where CSS takes care of the final placement. OTOH some other sites do use tables at least for some basic page division (columns, sections). Which aproach do you suggest? What will in the long turn make my life easier, e.g. if change is needed? To adapt CSS, or to add cell to table, adding some column plus CSS? | 12-Jul-09 18:24 |
| 1667 | Chris | No, QM has it's own separate RSP implementation. | 25-May-09 17:54 |
| 1666 | Robert | I'm trying to find out what's the "best practice" process for forms is. But after a bit of research I think it's: Do it by hand. Forms are not very complicated. All the generators, tools etc. are quite limited when it comes how to process a form. I use MooTools as AJAK lib and it has some very nice validator things. | 25-May-09 17:36 |
| 1665 | Robert | Is QM integrated into RSP pages? I think I need to take a closer look (and hope I will get it). | 25-May-09 17:35 |
| 1664 | Chris | With QM, I use QuickTags (integrated into RSP or standalone) to build the form elements, and then wrap common constructs in functions.for data-driven forms. It's not as pure as say, Henrik's HTML dialect, but perhaps has the flexibility of being at markup level. http://www.ross-gill.com/page/QuickTags Alternatively I have a make-doc dialect (somewhat rough) that I use for forms on my site wiki. http://2008.rebolconf.info/on/!Edit_Form?format=raw | 25-May-09 16:56 |
| 1663 | Robert | And, is there a REBOL version for something like PHPMailer? | 25-May-09 11:39 |
| 1662 | Robert | Forms: How do you make forms for web-pages? Do you use any "tools" or just hand-code them? | 25-May-09 11:35 |
| 1661 | Maxim | thanks for the link... so no svg on my new site... darn. | 25-May-09 9:00 |
| 1660 | Sunanda | This says no -- but 3party support is possible: http://wiki.svg.org/Internet_Explorer | 25-May-09 8:52 |
| 1659 | Maxim | is IE7 svg capable? | 25-May-09 8:47 |
| 1658 | PeterWood | Thanks, Doc. I look into that. | 25-May-09 8:15 |
| 1657 | Dockimbel | Then, you can try with HTTP chunked encoding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunked_transfer_encoding), it's the classic way to stream HTML to the browser. Having the page displayed while downloading chunks is browser specific. It's implemented in Cheyenne's HTTPd, but reading that wikipedia page makes me wonder if it still works with the new automatic HTTP compression introduced in 0.9.19 (haven't done regression tests for that case). | 25-May-09 6:19 |
| 1656 | Maxim | the client reply port anyways. | 24-May-09 23:20 |
| 1655 | Maxim | I've had this same problem before implementing custom-purpose web apps. http being connection based, i think most clients expect the connection to be closed. | 24-May-09 23:19 |
| 1654 | PeterWood | I'm now not sure if flushing the html to the borwser is necessry. I tried with a simple test. Firefox displayed the page immediately but the connection to the server was kept open. Safari didn't display the page unitl the connection to the server was closed. I dug a lttle deeper into Apache Docs and it seems that Apache doesn't buffer simple html output. It seems that the "problem" is getting the browser to display the html before the connection to the server is closed. | 24-May-09 23:12 |
| 1653 | PeterWood | Thanks for the tip Doc; I'll try it and report back. | 24-May-09 7:45 |
| 1652 | Dockimbel | Not tested, but might work for flushing CGI data : close system/ports/output | 24-May-09 7:43 |
| 1651 | PeterWood | Sadly, even if you call a shell script that runs the rebol process :-( | 23-May-09 23:43 |
| 1650 | Sunanda | I tried to find such a "flush" mechanism for REBOL.org (running Apache under a generic GNU/Linux OS). It would have been very useful (still would be).......But I never found anything that worked. | 23-May-09 21:09 |
| 1649 | Graham | And if you called a shell script that ran the rebol process? | 23-May-09 21:04 |
| 1648 | PeterWood | It would be much cleaner for me to be able to flush the output back to the browser and then do my housekeeping. | 23-May-09 12:37 |
| 1647 | PeterWood | Graham: I could spawn another process but have had problems with both using 'call to launch a second Rebol process on Mac OS X; any console output from the spawned Rebol session is sent to the browser in addition to the output it should receive from the cgi process. | 23-May-09 12:36 |
| 1646 | Oldes | (but now when I see it here, it's not enough as the á char is not converted to utf8) | 23-May-09 9:43 |
| 1645 | Oldes | probe HTMLentities/decode "Základní informace " | 23-May-09 9:41 |
| 1644 | Oldes | You can use my script http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/htmlentities_latest.r to convert it into UTF8 | 23-May-09 9:41 |
| 1643 | Oldes | Pekr, it looks you are not alone: http://www.google.cz/search?hl=cs&q=iacute&spell=1 | 23-May-09 9:39 |
| 1642 | Graham | shouldn't you just spawn another process to do the work and then return? | 23-May-09 8:14 |
| 1641 | Graham | that would be a good trick | 23-May-09 8:13 |
| 1640 | PeterWood | Has anybody wriitten a "flush" function that sends data back to the browser before the CGI script has finished running? | 23-May-09 8:03 |