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6560HenrikRegarding Wikipedia, I just finished this interesting podcast, where Dan Benjamin and John Siracusa discuss Wikipedia and why they think it's built on the wrong foundation. Siracusa was misquoted on an article that he wrote for ArsTechnica, but was unable to change it incorrect citation in Wikipedia (it has since the podcast aired been changed):

http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/52

Starts at 72 minutes and 30 seconds.

Wed 19:42
6559Reicharthttp://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.htmlMon 12:31
6558GrahamChttp://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/27/rim_uk_slashes_blackberry_playbook_tablet_price/

They should do an HP!

27-Jan 18:56
6557GeomolI agree, Pekr. I use Wikipedia a lot the same way. To get a quick overview, and as Reichart say, to be able to begin to ask the right questions.

I also often use the external links and references at the bottom of most pages.

26-Jan 10:20
6556EndoIt looks reliable to me about technical stuff, like network protocols etc. It may not reliable about history or science because there are subjective ideas or uncertain facts..26-Jan 10:06
6555PekrI like Wikipeia - for me, it is kind of psychological. I was e.g. looking at ARM gfx chip options. I orientiated myself thanks to Wikipedia, learning about PowerVR, Adreno, Mali, , their history, list of companies using those chips, etc. When I want white papers, I can visit target company websites, but Wikipedia provided me quickly with the interconnecte/related info, so I got my overview of the situation rather quickly. And that' it - it would be much harder imo to just search for a bits of info here or there ...26-Jan 10:02
6554Geomol"I suspect it varies on the domain you are looking into. Stuff like science should be okay."

When I took courses at the university some 5 years ago, WikiPedia was becoming still more popular, and the students used it to get information about science. The professors warned us about WikiPedia, about it's being unreliable, and said it shouldn't be used for scientific facts. Over the years, I find it ok with many banal facts, but not much more than that. I try to remember to tell myself to have my critical glasses on, when I read WikiPedia.

26-Jan 9:55
6553Ladislav;-)26-Jan 1:29
6552LadislavHowever, it is even possible to have an unorthodox POV when some events with probability 1 are considered. For example, the "orthodox probability" states that when picking up a random number from the [0;1] interval you obtain an irrational number with probability 1. Once again I find it defendable to disagree.26-Jan 1:28
6551Reichart:)26-Jan 1:23
6550Ladislav:-)26-Jan 1:23
6549ReichartWow, when you get to zero, we jump into philosphy, and questions of "what is matter' etc. i therefore, truly, have zero opinion.26-Jan 1:22
6548Ladislav'There is a lot of "opinion"...' - as an example, I recently tried to discuss whether events with probability 0 are possible, i.e., if they can actually happen. While the opinion that such events *can* happen seems to prevail, I think that the opposite POV is defendable. (what do you think, BTW?)26-Jan 1:14
6547LadislavYes, agreed about the subterfuge... But, usually, such things are corrected sooner or later26-Jan 1:07
6546Reichart.......indeed, and agreed. There is a lot of "opinion" on WP, and also levels of vagueness that allows people to create subterfuge, and misdirection, and force their opinion on people through this.26-Jan 1:06
6545LadislavCuriously, even in mathematics there are things I "do not trust", which are proven. That does not bother me either since the such an "untrustworthy" result usually depends on some axioms I find "untrustworthy" as well...26-Jan 1:00
6544LadislavI know that there are domains where this approach cannot be used, though26-Jan 0:48
6543Ladislav'My point is simply how much we “each” trust this all.' - I do not worry. For example in mathematics you do not need to trust anything. You can look up the proof and if you find it correct you are done. If you find it wrong you can:

- trust the theorem anyway trying to correct the proof - distrust the theorem trying to find a counterexample

26-Jan 0:46
6542ReichartIndeed.26-Jan 0:43
6541LadislavCertainly, there are many cases when I looked up an article, found the information I needed, and as a "thank you" I corrected something in the article (a typo, missing reference to a source, or even a correction of a formulation, etc...)26-Jan 0:31
6540ReichartYes, I agree. My point is simply how much we “each” trust this all. I simply have a low level of trust, as does John it seems. But I don't deny you anything for trusting it more. I think WP is a great (best) place to start.26-Jan 0:28
6539LadislavAnd, when I judge also whether the recent (new) informations are mentioned, the WP is almost unbeatable26-Jan 0:26
6538Ladislav"The question is not how many successes you can come up with..." - interesting! However, my point is totally different. For me, an encyclopedia is useful if I can learn about a fact something new and find also pointers to relevant sources. When this holds for every subject I look up (which it does for *my* usage of the WP), then I do not need anything more.26-Jan 0:23
6537Reichartbeing...26-Jan 0:20
6536ReichartI too [feel] (and have a lot of examples) of it not be releable for me.26-Jan 0:20
6535Reicharthence John's "I [feel], it become more and more unreliable."26-Jan 0:19
6534ReichartBoth your example you gave of the "poor thinker" and Stanford would be examples of other states like I mentioned as false negatives/positives. But these are all still anecdotal of course. The question is not how many successes you can come up with, but how many failures anyone can find vs. a control (even “Stanford”).

So we are speaking to “trust” + domain. For me, my trust is low, regardless of domain, with some domains being really poor.

26-Jan 0:18
6533Ladislav'In other words, I would use Wikipedia to learn "about" a fact, and then judge a seprate source on its own' - well, on the other hand, this is usually what you should do with any encyclopedia; find the pointers to sources where you can learn more, which is what Wikipedia does well enough for me26-Jan 0:14
6532LadislavI meant "WP has corrected" one point which I had problem to believe in Stanford.26-Jan 0:11
6531Ladislav"Nor would i use Wikipedia + some other source "together" to equal truth." - well, I learned better from my experience. I was suggested the Standford encyclopedia as a reliable source on the problem I wanted to solve and found out that WP was corrected one point I wanted to find.26-Jan 0:10
6530Ladislav"But, for example, I would never take ANY fact offered on Wikipedia and assume it is "true" without my own separate confirmation." - maybe there is a difference between domains, as Graham pointed out.

For example, I found it funny that Randall Holmes not just put a fact into a WP article, but he also wrote a (mathematical) proof in it, while some (poor thinker, IMO) marked the fact (which was mathematically correctly proven at the place) as doubtful, since there was no reference to some published article (LOL).

26-Jan 0:08
6529GrahamCI suspect it varies on the domain you are looking into. Stuff like science should be okay. Where opinions come into it ... there you might find disagreement with the published "facts".25-Jan 21:57
6528Reichart(also, I was not attacking you, or speaking to YOUR past, perhaps a better way for me to say what I said before was to modify your statement to "The Wikipedia is surprisingly reliable even when deep knowledge is looked up.........often.")25-Jan 21:50
6527ReichartI think we agree it is "useful". But, for example, I would never take ANY fact offered on Wikipedia and assume it is "true" without my own separate confirmation. Nor would i use Wikipedia + some other source "together" to equal truth. In other words, I would use Wikipedia to learn "about" a fact, and then judge a seprate source on its own.25-Jan 21:41
6526LadislavFor me the Wikipedia has undoubtedly proven its usefulness in a big way.25-Jan 17:56
6525LadislavHowever, I do not want to pretend that I use any measuring methodology; neither the statement "With deeper questions, I feel, it become more and more unreliable" did, though.25-Jan 17:53
6524Ladislav...and that example was not just "positive", it made the corresponding paragraph in the other encyclopedia incorrect exactly because it was supposed to be a complete list of available alternatives25-Jan 17:51
6523Ladislav"Ladislav, you seem to be measuring for positives, not for negatives, false negatives, or even false positives."- no, I just mentioned one example25-Jan 17:49
6522ReichartLadislav, you seem to be measuring for positives, not for negatives, false negatives, or even false positives. One of our former AltME members here was a Wikipedia "editor". all he did was fix blatant mistakes, sabotaged data, etc.

I would send him errors I found every month.

I would simply argue that the accuracy of the data is the same as any academic paper, and a “function” of the number of eyes that notice something.

25-Jan 17:31
6521Henrik(and form a basis for macros)25-Jan 9:50
6520Henrik"like on Amiga" - there are many of these on OSX as well. if there is an API for every single action that could be exposed in this menu, beyond what you already have in the existing menus, that would be quite powerful.25-Jan 9:48
6519SunandaThey've reinvented the command line :)25-Jan 9:43
6518PekrUbuntu HUD - global menu concept ... hmm, like on Amiga, just improved by adding search :-) http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/93925-Jan 8:32
6517GrahamCNot getting up at 3am to look though!24-Jan 23:46
6516GrahamCSolar storms may lead to aurora visible from NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6310695/Aurora-to-light-up-New-Zealand-skies24-Jan 23:46
6515HenrikYes, for now.23-Jan 23:03
6514GrahamCWow .. activism does work ! http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/sopa-pipa-postponed-nice-work-everyone/6762223-Jan 22:52
6513GrahamCI don't remember the last time I came across an incorrect statement on wikipedia23-Jan 18:37
6512Ladislav(the infromations were not even correct and missing from Stanford, but they were such that they made the corresponding paragraph in the Stanford encyclopedia incorrect, in fact)23-Jan 10:02
6511Ladislav"With deeper questions, I feel, it become more and more unreliable" - this is a general statement that is not reliable as far as I can tell. The Wikipedia is surprisingly reliable even when deep knowledge is looked up, as well as it is possible to find even some surprisingly basic facts that are not correct. I find Wikipedia surprisingly accurate and correct, especially taking into account how it is being written. For example, the last Wikipedia article I read contained informations (correct, I have to add) which I did not find in the Stanford encyclopedia...23-Jan 10:00
6510GrahamCI agree with Ladislav23-Jan 6:12
6509ReichartLadislav, you disagree with which part(s)?23-Jan 5:46
6508GeomolMaybe not more and more reliable over time, but more reliable, the deeper the question is.22-Jan 10:03
6507LadislavI disagree21-Jan 10:30
6506GeomolI think, wikipedia is fine for basic facts, like what is the atomic weight of oxygen, or when did that person live, etc. With deeper questions, I feel, it become more and more unreliable.21-Jan 10:23
6505GeomolGood formulation! :)21-Jan 10:19
6504ReichartWikpedia - is not reliable, rather it is a great place to "start" to understand what questions to actually ask.21-Jan 9:10
6503GrahamChttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e53920-Jan 18:13
6502SteeveBla...bla...bla.. Trying to push a new proprietary document format.20-Jan 15:49
6501HenrikWhat Apple released yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KJxZG2Nv4KA

20-Jan 9:18
6500GrahamCI find it much better these days than a couple of years ago19-Jan 9:52
6499HenrikI guess it depends on whether you know it's correct? I find it fairly reliable with having collections of information that would otherwise be hard or time consuming to gather. This is both for general topics and very specific topics. If I want to read up on the latest news on a developing technology (like Polywell fusion), I go there. Importantly, I also use the talk page to see, whether information has been removed or corrected for various reasons.19-Jan 9:45
6498GeomolHow reliable or correct do you find wikipedia on a) general topics b) specific topics (or more narrow knowledge - don't know how to define this category).19-Jan 9:35
6497ReichartI wish wikipedia actually tracked how often I use wikipedia. when I was a kid, I accessed my book collection (dict, Ency, etc.) often every hour. Now with computers, it is often 5-10 times in an hour.19-Jan 6:58
6496GrahamCStill have the blackout here ..and i see some fora are following this lead by closing down for the day.19-Jan 4:18
6495IzkataOr just hit the "stop" button on the browser in the moment when the page is visible, before the blackout appears (Although this advice is kinda late now...)19-Jan 4:04
6494TomBon{ESC}18-Jan 19:29
6493Reichart(from a friend of mine that makes DropBox)18-Jan 17:45
6492ReichartGet around SOPA black out on Wikipedia

1. go to blacked out page 2. copy into url bar:

javascript:$('#mw-sopaOverlay').remove();$('#mw-sopa-blackout').remove();$('body').children().removeAttr('style');

18-Jan 17:44
6491GrahamCNext we will have strikes ....18-Jan 10:04
6490PekrAle = also ...18-Jan 9:10
6489Pekrit is enough to turn off javascript. Ale - search linked articles work too ...18-Jan 9:09
6488SunandaI see that too, Henrik. For me, it looks blacked out in all my browsers, except Firefox.18-Jan 9:06
6487HenrikIt seems they are just using a div tag. I run an adblocker in Chrome and did not notice the blackout at all.18-Jan 8:45
6486PekrWikipedia goes dark in 6 hours ....18-Jan 0:19
6485PekrOSNews.com goes "dark", as a part of anti-SOPA initiative - http://www.osnews.com/18-Jan 0:17
6484SteeveHe only showed ... steam. The claim that it"s device is not ready to convert steam to electricity from the start is laughable. I vote for a scam17-Jan 21:21
6483PekrRossi should better show something, or all this story can be regarded a scam ...17-Jan 17:36
6482HenrikA lengthy interview with the developer of the E-cat, Andre Rossi:

http://pesn.com/2012/01/14/9602012_Momentous_Breakthroughs_Announced_During_Anniversary_E-Cat_Interview/transcription.htm

17-Jan 12:36
6481Henrikif we stick to specs, they are still quite a bit smaller than the OLPC XO-3, and is still not designed for educational use, other than being cheap. For children in India, price may be a valid point to simply allow it to spread, but the OLPC is designed in and out for educational use.10-Jan 13:41
6480PekrYes, there are two models. Old one, 366MHz, you found video for, and 7+ version, with following specs: http://www.ubislate.com/specifications.html10-Jan 13:36
6479HenrikWell, you posted the Ubislate, so I thought a comparison was valid.10-Jan 13:35
6478PekrWhy are you comparing 366MHz machine speed towards the 800MHz one?10-Jan 13:31
6477PekrHenrik - I simply don't like things green, government funded, or done from public or any other dotations, especially when done fanatically. And OLPC is a so so project for me. Was OLPC1 or 2 any significant success? Well, Genesi, a commercial entity,might have better HW to share. As for tablet, I can't see much innovations there. Such projects feel like scientists got money to play, but with not much normal commercial focus. From such pov, and being funded by top companies like AMD, Intel, Google, I would expect a significant and radical innovative design, but it is not imo. One of reasons imo is, that none of those companies are willing to ruin their own market ....10-Jan 13:31
6476HenrikWell, one should probably not underestimate the design of the XO-3. I wonder which one breaks first, if a child uses one of each for a year. Also, the OLPC contains much more beefy educational software, specific inputs for measuring equipment and low-voltage charge input for mechanical charging with handcrank and solar charging.

The cover can double as a solar panel with built-in battery pack, which you take off and leave out in the sun. When it's charged, put the cover on the back and the tablet runs off that battery.

When comparing the UI responsiveness, there is pretty much no contest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0OuUr1pZBE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5D06XQ1f3o

But the Ubislate is likely much cheaper to produce.

10-Jan 9:36
6475Pekrthat looks fat, ugly, and far from the concept images we saw in the past. India's tablet beats it imo. This OLPC project was overhyped from the very beginning imo- http://www.ubislate.com/10-Jan 5:17
6474GrahamCWell sounds good then :)10-Jan 0:32
6473LadislavYou should read the article

- there is no "extra power needed" - they put solar cells on these things

9-Jan 23:02
6472GrahamCI wonder why they don't put solar cells on these things so when you have to use it outside in equatorial sunlight, you can compensate for the extra power needed to make the screen brighter?9-Jan 22:49
6471HenrikHardware specs:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-3

9-Jan 22:31
6470HenrikOLPC tablet is completed:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/01/olpc-tablet-finally-arrives/

9-Jan 22:26
6469GrahamC2763 - all sold out in minutes12-Dec 2:31
6468GrahamCSale has started but there is an issue!!12-Dec 2:16
6467KajMaybe, maybe not. WebOS' app model is based on web technologies, so the REBOL app model is mostly in competition with it11-Dec 1:04
6466GrahamCSo, we now have apparently the best mobile OS now open source, and we have a number of rebol clones appearing ... is there any synergy that can be built from this?10-Dec 22:01
6465GrahamCExpect all to be gone by 4.01 pm !9-Dec 22:26
6464GrahamCAt 4 pm Pacific on Sunday the 11th, HP will be selling 16gb and 32gb Touchpads for $99 and $149 respectively at their HP store on eBay

http://stores.ebay.com/hewlettpackard

9-Dec 22:26
6463KajI think they already enabled alternative stores, but when they open source the app platform, that will be a given, anyway9-Dec 20:37
6462HenrikHow does their app model work again? Walled garden?9-Dec 20:20
6461GrahamCHP paid $1.2bn for the IP and gives it freely to the OS community :)9-Dec 20:19
6460HenrikThat alone would draw me towards it.9-Dec 20:19
6459Geomol"one of their goals will be to avoid fragmentation"

That's a fine goal.

9-Dec 20:18
6458HenrikWebOS goes open source:

http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/12/09/1857254/hp-making-webos-open-source?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkuser&utm_medium=feed

9-Dec 20:10
6457BrianHYup :)6-Dec 16:08
6456DockimbelTypos: I meant typos when using the virtual keyboard on WinCE without seeing what you're typing ;-)6-Dec 16:08
6455BrianHI would have settled for the capabilities of the Windows R2 console on WinCE. Lack of command line or clipboard support limited me greatly. On the other hand, as it was it got me through statistics class :)6-Dec 16:06
6454Pekreh, R2, I mean ...6-Dec 16:04
6453PekrR3 console is not much system friendly.6-Dec 16:04
6452BrianHAnd I'd like to apologize for that. The ARM build was made for my HP Jornada handheld pc (a netbook precursor) which had a hardware keyboard, then never updated to support virtual keyboards. Or the clipboard or command line either, but those weren't my fault.6-Dec 16:03
6451PekrWe need RED for those, if Carl is still asleep :-)6-Dec 16:02
6450DockimbelNope, just that you need to type without making typos ;)6-Dec 16:01
6449BrianHWeird. On every device I've tried the WinCE build with, the window didn't resize for the virtual keyboard, so the actual command line was covered up by the keyboard. Are you saying that this problem went away at some point with a more recent WinCE version?6-Dec 15:59
6448DockimbelI used to play with v2.5 on my IpaQ device with virtual keyboard, slow to type, but worked well.6-Dec 15:54
6447BrianHThat might be comparable to how the R2 2.5 WinCE builds for HandheldPC, which required a keyboard, ran on Windows Mobile 6.5 machines that didn't have a keyboard, but not on 6.5 Smartphone Edition phones that actually had the keyboard that the build required. But maybe the on-screen keyboard will be enough.6-Dec 15:51
6446AndreasAnd maybe the R2 2.5 MIPS builds still work :)6-Dec 15:46
6445AndreasHardly the devices' fault :)6-Dec 15:46
6444BrianHBut an NDK means that it potentially could :)6-Dec 15:45
6443BrianHGood! $200 is too much to pay for a device that can't run REBOL :-/6-Dec 15:45
6442AndreasAh, and http://developer.mips.com/android/ says the ICS sources are coming "mid december".6-Dec 15:45
6441BrianHhttp://developer.mips.com/android/download-android-ndk/ :)6-Dec 15:44
6440AndreasAnd I think MIPS had a custom R6 NDK version for MIPS. No idea about a R7.6-Dec 15:43
6439PekrStill under 200USD, where Apple commented, that solid tablet is not possible :-)6-Dec 15:42
6438Andreas$168 would still be dirt cheap :)6-Dec 15:42
6437BrianHI wonder if the NDK has MIPS support yet...6-Dec 15:37
6436BrianH99 USD, plus another 69 USD to actually get it to the US :(6-Dec 15:36
6435PekrMIPS Android 4.x tablet for 99 USD, 250mW power consumption at full load :-)

http://www.osnews.com/story/25397/MIPS_99_Tablet_is_First_Ice_Cream_Sandwich_Tablet

6-Dec 15:12
6434GeomolVirgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo: Tourists in for a 'Magical' Ride http://www.space.com/13625-virgin-galactic-spaceshiptwo-ride-passenger-experience.html20-Nov 8:55
6433Mcheanhope for lithium battery life: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1573547817-Nov 19:23
6432OldesAdobe managers really love HTML5, they are slowly leaving Flex as well:

Given our experiences innovating on Flex, we are extremely well positioned to positively contribute to the advancement of HTML5 development, starting with mobile applications. In fact, many of the engineers and product managers who worked on Flex SDK will be moving to work on our HTML efforts... http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html

16-Nov 11:53
6431DockimbelCommon Crawl - now everyone can be Google: http://www.i-programmer.info/news/136-open-source/3320-common-crawl.html14-Nov 9:57
6430DockimbelBaysick: a Scala DSL implementing basic: http://blog.fogus.me/2009/03/26/baysick-a-scala-dsl-implementing-basic/

Close, but no cigar. ;-)

13-Nov 22:25
6429OldesI think here is quite good reading what's going on in Adobe - http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2011/11/11/clarifications-on-flash-player-for-mobile-browsers-the-flash-platform-and-the-future-of-flash/13-Nov 22:05
6428OldesAdobe wants people to create AIR applications (Flash packed in AIR) which enables them to use even the native extensions: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/developing-native-extensions-air.html Native extensions would not be easy to do in browser from security reasons I guess. Stupid banners one can do even in Flash6. Also there will be demand on HTML5 ads as it's not so easy to block them.11-Nov 15:51
6427Endo"Prince of Persia released for the Commodore 64" - Graphics are almost same with Amiga version :) I ordered. it will be fun to finish it on a real C64.11-Nov 12:46
6426CyphreAdobe abandons Flash plugin on mobile devices:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/exclusive-adobe-ceases-development-on-mobile-browser-flash-refocuses-efforts-on-html5-updated/19226

11-Nov 12:26
6425Geomol"Prince of Persia released for the Commodore 64" http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/17/prince-of-persia-c64

:)

10-Nov 14:41
6424KajWhy would you think it irrelevant if you believe that it works and it is the basis of the same systems you still use today?10-Nov 0:47
6423Andreass/strange/obsolete/g, to stay even closer to the original write-up.9-Nov 22:04
6422AndreasIn the original write-up they don't mention a disbelief in simplicity, but rather a disbelief in the relevance of V6 due to: a) age, b) strange programming language, c) strange target hardware.9-Nov 22:03
6421KajInteresting how students don't believe that something simple can work9-Nov 21:51
6420GeomolUnix in less than 9,000 lines of code seems ok efficient.9-Nov 9:36
6419GeomolWow, that's cool! Linked.9-Nov 9:35
6418HenrikUNIX V6 ported to ANSI C:

http://os-blog.com/xv6-unix-v6-ported-to-ansi-c-x86/

9-Nov 9:29
6417BrianHLooks like a couple of my friends with no phones might have an option now :)8-Nov 21:41
6416BrianHhttp://www.republicwireless.com/8-Nov 21:40
6415BrianHUnlimited service in the US, over Wifi by default (Sprint as a fallback), $19 per month: http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/07/republic-wireless-officially-unveils-19month-service-unlimited-everything-no-contracts/8-Nov 21:39
6414KajI just located my old soldering iron :-)8-Nov 21:34
6413AndreasNXP is about to manufacture DIP-packaged ARMs (Cortex-M0): http://www.nxp.com/news/press-releases/2011/10/nxp-cortex-m0-microcontrollers-in-high-volume-tssop-and-so-packages-target-8-16-bit-applications.html

http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers/cortex_m0/lpc1100l/LPC1114FN28.html

8-Nov 18:26
6412KajUseful, but very expensive3-Nov 16:37
6411DockimbelRent-a-mac in the cloud for development instead of buying your own: http://www.macincloud.com/3-Nov 15:32
6410ddharing"Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."

All of the names are different, but the result is the same -- more or less.

30-Oct 22:59
6409HenrikOne simple test would be to run it for 60 or 600 hours while producing the same output. That might convince anyone.30-Oct 7:23
6408AdrianSsupposedly the reactor worked in self sustaining mode (no input power) for 6 hours, putting out around 470kW29-Oct 21:57
6407HenrikThe Rossi test was completed yesterday, unfortunately again in secrecy and with only sparse data available.29-Oct 10:44
6406Maximthe fact that it takes about 30 minutes to implement the general concept of entities in REBOL (it took them 2 years within their toolchain ;-) is a testatment to how good it is IMHO.

i.e. something which is conceptually friendly to some REBOL idioms (in concept, not it actual code) is pretty nice for a change.

26-Oct 18:46
6405MaximWe're using MS Entity Framework for a project and I must say that its the first API/framework from MS which, I think, makes our job factually easier. i.e. it doesn't just re-engineer the same concept with new syntax. Its an actual improvement in how a team can organise larg'ish project.26-Oct 18:45
6404BrianHLooks like it borrowed from Nemerle as well - the closest thing to REBOL with a C-like syntax that you could get back in 2005. I lost interest in Nemerle when they started supporting indentation-based syntax (that's a real turn-off) and when C# started adopting many of its features (such as what MS calls LINQ now). Roslyn is basically Mono.Compiler + LINQ.26-Oct 16:39
6403BrianHI guess that's one of the benefits of the cross-propagation of ideas between MS's .NET group and their community.26-Oct 16:22
6402BrianHIt looks like they took Mono's existing compiler-as-a-service concept and went with it.26-Oct 16:21
6401Gabrielewhy the hell did it take so long for that to happen? maybe they'll "invent" rebol some day.26-Oct 5:03
6400KajYeah, they've stolen Red already :-)25-Oct 21:18
6399PekrRoslyn - new way how MS thinks about compilers for the future - http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/microsofts-roslyn-reinventing-the-compiler-we-know-it-17667125-Oct 21:07
6398KajA little above zero, because they negotiated influence in the WP development process with MS, but yeah23-Oct 15:03
6397PekrThis is what Elop just killed - http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ , making Nokia MS OEM, with zero differentiating factor to HTC and Samsung WP7 based phones ...23-Oct 14:23
6396KajSimple, because the best platforms always get shot first23-Oct 14:00
6395PekrI can also agree with the following opinion - how could Nokia let Elop do that? http://www.osnews.com/story/25250/Nokia_s_N9_Swan_Song_Be_Still_My_Beating_Heart23-Oct 13:27
6394Kajhttp://www.osnews.com/story/25247/Jobs_I_m_Going_to_Destroy_Android_23-Oct 13:20
6393GeomolSome perspective on the passing of Jobs and Ritchie: http://stream.cheatha.de/post/178915020/Image

(Should maybe have been in Humour, but I wasn't sure, if it's funny.) :)

21-Oct 7:27
6392ddharingIt's not everyday you see a REBOL job posting. I'm glad to say that my company is leading the way.

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?IPath=QHKCV0A&ff=21&APath=2.21.0.0.0&job_did=J5H1MP6N914TSD0LJGX

21-Oct 3:28
6391Kajhttp://gawker.com/steve-jobs/20-Oct 22:16
6390AdrianSwho knows, Rossi might get killed by a big explosion - it's going to be interesting any way it pans out20-Oct 13:07
6389AdrianSNot sure if anyone here is following the cold fusion story still, but in case you're interested, the 1 MW demo will be on the 28th of this month - coincident with another end-of-the-world prediction.20-Oct 13:06
6388TomBonyes QNX is cool, some years ago I was looking for a microkernel OS and have checked QNX. a stable and fast OS combined with a GUI called photon. one of the cleanest GUI I have seen so far. perhaps MINIX with something like photon will evolve some day for a full server/desktop enviroment.19-Oct 10:59
6387PekrRIM finally announced QNX OS for their smartphones too. Their platform inlcudes Cascades UI, which should be easy abstraction for developers to do some nice stuff:

http://devblog.blackberry.com/2011/10/cascades-blackberry/

19-Oct 10:19
6386HenrikHas anyone tried this:

http://stereopsis.com/flux/

It is supposed to change the color temperature of the display throughout the day, so that the display becomes warmer as it becomes night. Research apparently shows that you sleep better, if you are not looking at cold lights at night time.

17-Oct 12:10
6385GeomolThey also moved an atomic watch from CERN to Gran Sasso to verify the other (GPS) timing. So more investigation is needed. But it's an interesting study, how complicated 'simple' timing of events is.16-Oct 11:12
6384GrahamCAs I understand it, the GPS satellite that does the timing is moving much faster than the earth and is in a different reference frame. In the experiment, the neutrino source is moving towards the satellite and so the neutrinos appear sto be travelling a shorter distance in the GPS's frame of reference.15-Oct 20:32
6383GrahamChttp://arxiv.org/abs/1110.2685

neutrinos were not travelling faster than light speed ... the experiment did not account for the GPS satellites being in a different referencec frame. They calculated to account for this and found the missing 32 nanoseconds

15-Oct 20:15
6382Alanhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/10/13/0328230/Dennis-Ritchie-Creator-of-C-Programming-Language-Passed-Away?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot%2Fto+%28%28Title%29Slashdot+%28rdf%29%2913-Oct 17:56
6381Kajhttp://www.itnews.com.au/News/275890,vale-steve-jobs-worlds-greatest-failure.aspx12-Oct 20:55
6380Geomol"what is it good for, if he is not able to realise his visions?"

Good inventions can inspire others for other good stuff. So yes, it's good for something!

6-Oct 8:46
6379GeomolOh, that was suddently. I hope, he had fun most of the time.6-Oct 8:45
6378GrahamCLeadership and invention must be mutually exclusive qualities :(6-Oct 8:02
6377GrahamCUltimately I guess one measures people by how they influenced the world6-Oct 8:01
6376DideCYes, Steve was not really an inventor as he evented pretty nothing. But he was the visionar who see what invention could be a progress for people way of life. And he has also a good sense of design to make inventions "love-able" by people.6-Oct 7:59
6375PekrGrahamC: Carl might be a good inventor, but what is it good for, if he is not able to realise his visions?6-Oct 7:50
6374HenrikI'm not sure if it covers "entrepreneur" or "inventor", if he had stuff that he thought up, built by others from his instructions, but he did a lot of that, as he knew a lot about industrial design, even before the first Macintosh was built. There are a number of things on their products that are directly attributable to him.6-Oct 7:50
6373DideCI'm sad, even if I didn't really know him.6-Oct 7:39
6372DideCIMHO he was a far better inventor than Bill G. Both were very good entrepreneur at there time.6-Oct 7:38
6371GrahamCHe was a very impressive entrepeneur .. but was he an inventor like Carl?6-Oct 7:13
6370RobertIt's very impressive how he turned around Apple and how all the dots connected. The difference is, that he knew it upfront and we see it afterwards. That's what makes a great entrepreneur.6-Oct 6:41
6369ddharingFarewell, Steve.6-Oct 2:26
6368KajWow, he almost held out to the last minute6-Oct 0:10
6367Andreashttp://www.apple.com/stevejobs/6-Oct 0:08
6366Oldesor better this link: http://www.unrealengine.com/insiderblog/unreal_engine_3_comes_to_flash5-Oct 22:45
6365Oldeshttp://www.techspot.com/news/45748-unreal-engine-3-comes-to-adobe-flash-11.html5-Oct 22:41
6364GrahamCAndroid 2.2 and 256Mb ram. REBOL not preloaded5-Oct 18:05
6363GrahamCPrice hoped to drop to $105-Oct 18:05
6362GrahamCIndia $46 tablet released http://news.yahoo.com/india-launch-45-tablet-computer-211428621.html5-Oct 18:05
6361PekriPhone 5 - ha ha ha :-)4-Oct 20:28
6360Oldeshttp://www.adobe.com/devnet/html5/articles/css-shaders.html4-Oct 18:40
6359GeomolIn danish, it's the same word, "buler", even if they go in or out of the surface. Sometimes the word "fordybninger" is used, and those only go into the surface.1-Oct 8:52
6358GeomolYeah, I realized, the correct word is "dimples". "Bulges" and "dimples" are not too familar words to me.1-Oct 8:50
6357Reichart"A golf ball fly longer with all its little bulges"

Other way around, it has dimples, and a sharks skin is sort of like plates, and work the same way.

1-Oct 5:48
6356GrahamCAre our tech toys causing others to work in hell?1-Oct 5:47
6355GrahamCThe Woz apparently cried on seeing this show1-Oct 5:47
6354GrahamChttp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-dark-side-of-apple-one-mans-monologue-of-misery-20110930-1l0hg.html

The Woz apparently cried on seeing this presentation

1-Oct 5:46
6353HenrikElon Musk needs really to learn how to be a public speaker. His talk is hard to follow.30-Sep 18:42
6352GrahamCAnd RIM has slashed $200 off their playbook line ...30-Sep 18:42
6351HenrikIt probably depends on how much is gained by improving airflow around the rocket body in relation to reducing its mass.30-Sep 18:40
6350GeomolAbout shark skin and swimsuits: http://www.curiocity.ca/everyday-science/sports/item/1001-sharks-in-the-pool.html30-Sep 17:55
6349Geomol*penguins*30-Sep 17:52
6348GeomolLooks cool. I'm wondering, why spacecrafts always have a smooth surface. Pinguins are known to have very little resistance, when they move through water, and they don't have a smooth surface because they used to have feathers. Sharks have a rough surface, I guess this also mean less resistance, when they move through water. A golf ball fly longer with all its little bulges, than if it had a smooth surface. Yet spacecrafts have smooth surfaces.30-Sep 17:50
6347HenrikIf SpaceX can do what they show in this video, it looks promising:

http://www.spacex.com/assets/video/spacex-rtls-green.mp4

30-Sep 13:47
6346PekrYet another mobile OS coming? http://www.osnews.com/comments/25196 ... I don't understand Samsung, as they have Bada. Also wondering, if HTC buys WebOS ....29-Sep 20:21
6345OldesThe problem with Amazon is it's "Amazon store developer agreement" - http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/igda-updates-warning-to-amazon-appstore-developers-its-not-a-misunderstanding.php29-Sep 9:47
6344GrahamCIf they can lower the barrier to entry ... then I'm all for this.29-Sep 8:27
6343GabrieleAmazon is cool but they seem to have the MS mentality of ignoring standards... "embrace and extend" i guess...29-Sep 7:43
6342GrahamCPresumably it can be licensed29-Sep 1:36
6341GrahamCNo worse than MS buying some technology for Windows ...29-Sep 1:35
6340AdrianSit bugs me that they forked Android (based on a version prior to 2.2) - that's a second strike. The first was that they bought Touchco, a very promising tech company which had one of the best and cheapest touchscreen implementations ($10/sq ft), good for both stylus and fingers. This should have been technology for the masses, not restricted to Amazon. Oh well, I guess it's still for the masses if they sell enough tablets with that tech, at some point. Forking Android though, screw them. With their user base, they have the potential to upset the Android cart.28-Sep 23:56
6339GrahamCAmazon announces crazy Kindle prices and their $199 tablet28-Sep 19:28
6338AdrianSand Rossi's own demo for October is still supposed to happen28-Sep 18:22
6337AdrianSActually, despite the rift between Rossi and Defkalion, it seems that Defkalion is still on track to show their own tech (Rossi derived, I guess) in the near term. They just re-opened their forums.28-Sep 18:21
6336HenrikPekr, see this group on Apr-26 for a discussion about it.28-Sep 16:14
6335PekrWhat is that, another perpetuum-mobile like scam? :-)28-Sep 16:07
6334Henrik"Sounds pretty interesting, but when will we see commercial deployment? Rossi is planning for October, this year, for his process. A Greek company is investing 200 million euros in the plant."

An update on the E-CAT: The Greek company that was investing in this plant, mysteriously can't pay the money, so the 1 MW plant is now supposed to be installed in the US instead.

Here are some pictures of the power plant:

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264361.ece

Another test was also conducted a couple of weeks ago, but it, like the other tests, did not show anything conclusively that the device really worked. It's highly suspicious.

28-Sep 13:38
6333EndoThat's funny :))) "Governmentium", "These 312 particles are held together by a force called morons" :))))24-Sep 6:47
6332GrahamCNew element discovered with atomic mass 312 http://www.appleseeds.org/governmentium.htm23-Sep 22:31
6331SunandaRight -- it's similar to Ly Tin Weedle's proposed method of instantaneous information transfer by modulated torture of a small monarch: http://www.discworldmonthly.co.uk/tpquote.php?qn=353&mode=goto23-Sep 22:13
6330GrahamCthough if you have entangled pair, and you determine the spin direction of one pair, then the spin of the other is then set. But .. the knowledge of the other spin is only known at the site where the first determination was made, and that information can not travel to the other site faster than light so perhaps the limit applies to that information?23-Sep 22:04
6329GrahamCNo, just teleport!23-Sep 22:01
6328Ladislav"travel at least thousands of times faster than the speed of light" - except for the fact, that they actually don't "travel"23-Sep 11:42
6327GrahamCExperimental results have demonstrated that effects due to entanglement travel at least thousands of times faster than the speed of light23-Sep 11:05
6326LadislavOr I should ask: Alongside with the Relativity theory you would like to destroy the Quantum mechanics as well?23-Sep 10:33
6325Ladislav"actually travel in a straight-line" :-D (Instead of the Relativity theory, you prefer to destroy the Quantum mechanics?)23-Sep 10:32
6324SunandaThe theorists who know what that are talking about will have a lot of fun with that evidence, Graham.

The rest of us can make things up -- like perhaps neutrinos are the only things that actually travel in a straight-line at a quantum level; photons take a longer path because they are bouncing around a bit.

23-Sep 9:39
6323GrahamCNeutrino travels faster than light http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/5671848/Pillar-of-physics-challenged23-Sep 7:14
6322PavelArduino is already based on ARM in its NetDuino variant, Netduino is also in micro variant (breadboard based).23-Sep 4:47
6321ReichartCool stuff, thanks for posting.22-Sep 19:15
6320DockimbelHere's a photo of the ARM-based new Arduino board: http://www.semageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ArduinoDue.jpg

I am not sure it will be available in tiny forms like the Lilypad or the Nano though.

22-Sep 8:33
6319Henrikwill the ARM arduinos be available in the same form factors as the existing ones?22-Sep 8:28
6318DockimbelThat should be doable, with the "wearable" version of Arduino boards (the Lilypad): http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardLilyPad

They are also some wrist watch level Arduino-based prototypes (often using an OLED display): http://www.google.fr/search?gcx=w&q=wrist+watch+arduino&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=fr&tab=wi&biw=1113&bih=1036

A few more very creative Arduino watches: http://hackaday.com/tag/watch/

There's even one you can already buy: http://www.getinpulse.com

22-Sep 8:25
6317ReichartIt would be nice to have one of these types of little computers, which can shut down to some really low power use state, or even turn off, while passing power to something like a wrist watch level tech, which can react to some input (a dry contact, or a timer, or a signal from the internet in some form). Very power combination for many applications.22-Sep 8:07
6316DockimbelI should be able to port Red on the Arduino Due (32-bit, 50KB of RAM) but the still low memory size might limit its usefulness. OTOH, Red/System should be able to work full power there. It should be fun to write a new OS for this platform using Red/System.20-Sep 12:27
6315DockimbelFor Open Hardware followers: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/19/1835250/Arduino-Goes-ARM20-Sep 12:23
6314Henrikhe was, but it didn't happen.11-Sep 7:08
6313GrahamCHenrik .. wasn't Carl supposed to make some announcement of what he was doing .. or did I miss it?10-Sep 22:50
6312GrahamCHmm... POE would be nice10-Sep 22:49
6311KajThe movie demos they did so far used their own player thingie. It's likely the standard Linux players won't cut it on Ubuntu in the provided memory10-Sep 20:50
6310KajThey're shipping Ubuntu10-Sep 20:47
6309HenrikIt's not the project he's working on.10-Sep 18:18
6308Maximcould this be the project Carl is working on !? it is an embedded linux, its also more TV than computer since it supports only TV outputs. Carl's low memory using Amiga Exec Background would make him a prime candidate for working on this project which has to boot Linux and allow HD decoding within only 128 MB (os+gpu Shared) RAM .10-Sep 17:54
6307Pavelred thread is rolling quickly so not to be overlooked: interresting toy for cheap: http://www.raspberrypi.org/ ARM based 700MHz core 256MB RAM 100 Mb Lan 2 USB ports, SD card reader some (not exactly stated how many) GPIO, 1W power under full load, Quake3 and HD movie playing demonstrated. Linux supported from producer, but architecture not restricted to linux only.10-Sep 14:21
6306GeomolActually - from any viewpoint, I guess.10-Sep 8:33
6305GeomolIt's just bits and bytes set in a certain way, and they can be changed anytime. From a philosophical viewpoint, there's something fundamental different between software and a house.10-Sep 8:10
6304ReichartLove it............and yeah, not going to happen.9-Sep 17:27
6303Henrikhttp://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2030258

An article on software liability laws.

9-Sep 7:33
6302Kajhttp://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20110905#news6-Sep 13:15
6301KajThe Syllable interview is now on DistroWatch:6-Sep 13:15
6300OldesFinally - http://developer.nvidia.com/content/accelerated-path-rendering-opengl-nvidia-path-rendering-sdk5-Sep 13:39
6299onetombut zip it up please together with the color theme which worked for u1-Sep 9:43
6298onetomAdrianS: u did't get my private messages?1-Sep 9:42
6297AdrianSTamas - I actually don't use Sublime Edit for Rebol these days. The syntax file I have is from SE 1 - not sure it would work with 2 or how much it colored various keywords. If you want I can zip up what I have and you can try it out.1-Sep 3:19
6296Kajhttp://www.osnews.com/story/25122/Interview_Syllable_OS_Lead_Developer_Kaj_de_Vos31-Aug 22:36
6295KajIt's been relayed on OSNews now:31-Aug 22:36
6294KajI was also asked about the Amiga, and I put REBOL and Red in there, too30-Aug 20:43
6293Kajhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/398892/developer_q_syllable_os/30-Aug 20:42
6292KajThe full interview is here:30-Aug 20:42
6291Kajhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/398891/syllable_os_developer_interview_building_better_operating_system/30-Aug 20:42
6290KajSome of you already found the Syllable interview I was recently asked to do by IDG on Slashdot. The original article is on TechWorld:30-Aug 20:42
6289TomBonyes, BSD is mainly server but can be a great desktop also, esp. if you look to your mac screen...30-Aug 20:00
6288TomBonthen you mac isn't either...30-Aug 19:58
6287onetombut true, it would be nice if they would support freebsd at least, however very little ppl use freebsd as a desktop, i would think..30-Aug 19:57
6286onetomthats not a separate platform, that's x... ;p30-Aug 19:56
6285TomBonyou have to add my BSD to your list also or not?30-Aug 19:51
6284TomBonharr..harr..harr...YES!30-Aug 19:46
6283onetomhja, okay, sorry... now i know why has it been made so durable... so kids cant break it easily... unlike the other 2 systems ;P30-Aug 19:45
6282TomBonwell both are win and x, mac is no major platform. it's a toy ;-)30-Aug 19:37
6281onetomscite is dual-platform only and geany has windows binaries only according to their official site. why do u have to bullshit us saying it's crossplatform? even this sublime thing was windows only until last year! that was the only reason i mentioned it here, because the same version is available on the 3 major platforms (with proper font handling, unlike rebol..)30-Aug 19:34
6280onetomneither it allowed me to use chinese input method30-Aug 19:30
6279onetomi tried gedit too recently on a mac. luckily there was a binary version, because the compilation segfaulted... well, it's quite nice. i could see that as an open source alternative, but despite of the fact it's supposed to support utf-8, it didn't...30-Aug 19:30
6278TomBonreally? hmmm..mac? when? where?30-Aug 19:30
6277onetomi don't like this kind of cross-platformenss, where u have to sweat blood to get something on certain platforms...30-Aug 19:29
6276onetomi see u were contributing to a thread which started as a "scite on mac" topic and turned into an "oh, wait, it's not that obvious how to get gtk for a mac" pondering30-Aug 19:27
6275onetomurl to the dmg file?30-Aug 19:27
6274TomBononetom, well...just a moment...just sucking heavy on scite & geany currently all nice delivered cross-plattformed in 1.5 mb ready to use WITH code folding. :-))))30-Aug 19:18
6273onetomwhen i write rebol / bash codet, i try to stick with 1-4 lines of code for each function. even in javascript i don't do over 10lines. so there is not much to fold on it...30-Aug 18:59
6272onetomi was looking for an editor primarily to write code, not to read others' crap. i forgot to tell sublime is only a good choice in this case30-Aug 18:51
6271onetomTomBon: code folding would require code analysis. i don't expect a generic code editor go that far. if u really miss folding, go and suck with some bloatware IDE and suffer from all it's pitfalls...

i would rather organize my code in a way where folding wouldnt help much with reading...

30-Aug 18:50
6270onetomPekr: yes, and it knows the multi-line edit too, just like textmate30-Aug 18:46
6269TomBonbut the minimap leftside looks like a nice feature. would like to have this with scite.30-Aug 18:19
6268TomBonno code folding...30-Aug 18:16
6267PekrCan it do vertical/column selection?30-Aug 17:52
6266onetombtw, im using Verdana as the proportional font for source code. does anyone else have a better recommendation?30-Aug 17:03
6265onetomAdrianS: do u have an updated version of the rebol syntax definition for it? the one i found in some article from last year doesnt seem to color it nicely. i can only see the strings, files colored but not any default words.

also what is the recommended way to prioretize the rebol syntax as the default over the R one?

30-Aug 17:02
6264AdrianS+1 for Sublime Edit 230-Aug 16:32
6263onetomtextmate eats less memory and the initial load time is shorter, but it's mac only, doesnt handle double with characters and gets confused by the proportional font too.30-Aug 15:43
6262onetoma little lighter topic: http://www.sublimetext.com/2 the best generic code editor ever and it's CROSS PLATFORM since the beginning of the year and it's beta already! im using it for a day and no bugs so far. it costs 60 USD to get rid of the "buy me" dialog after every 50th save, but that's the only pain point, i think.

here is the list why i love it: - knows save on focus lost - have the intelligent filename search (with instant file preview!!!) - can open full folders (no need to create a project for it explicitely!!!...) - handles proportional fonts - handles double width characters (chinese for example) - beautiful default color scheme with black background - distraction free "zen" mode - no stupid dialog box config - cross platform; which is good because - i can remote control less advanced users no matter what is their platform - i can use the same interface and shortcuts on every platform; no annoyance on switching - not extremely bloated yet...

30-Aug 15:41
6261HenrikRaspberry Pi runs Quake 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mDuJuvZjI

30-Aug 8:05

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