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344btiffinPleased to announce that the rebol Of The Year 2011 is an honour shared between

Kaj de Vos and Nenad Rakocevic.

Congratulations gentlemen, your efforts ease and enrich the lives of rebols the world over.

Thanks to all the participants, and to all, a great 2012.

25-Jan 14:06
343btiffinI'll be starting that today, and when I can get synched with Maxim we'll go over results. Thanks to those that participated.2-Jan 15:58
342PeterWoodVoting closed a little over six hours ago.1-Jan 6:48
341btiffinPoint of information. Andreas, thanks for the correction. Kaj, please excuse the slight. Votes to either spelling will be counted, as actually will any non ambiguous vote.30-Dec 6:06
340Andreasbtiffin, Kaj's name is "Kaj de Vos" (not "Kal de Vos").28-Dec 20:30
339SunandaThanks for arranging this award for another year, Brian and Max.

I've voted for who I think will be a worthy winner -- and I hope everyone else takes the time to do so too.

For those who find AltME scrolling a pain, the voting protocol can be browsed here: http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp558x302

28-Dec 16:49
338btiffinPoint of information. The offifical list of 2011 rebol Of The Year nominations is: Graham Chui Kal de Vos Nenad Rakocevic John Niclasen Sunanda28-Dec 15:18
337GreggMotion seconded.27-Dec 22:55
336nvewhat is the official nominates list ?27-Dec 20:58
335btiffinPoint of information. Votes, generated using roty-vote, from 16-Dec-2010, to be accepted by btiffin and Maxim until the end of 2011, Greenwich Mean Time.26-Dec 4:37
334btiffinMotion to close nominations. List of entries include Graham Chui, Kal de Vos, Nenad Rakocevic, John Niclasen, Sunanda.26-Dec 4:33
333btiffinI'll second the nomination for Sunanda18-Dec 20:13
332PeterWoodI nominate Sunanda18-Dec 11:04
331EndoI'll third the nomination for John Niclasen14-Dec 11:46
330AshleyI'd like to nominate John Niclasen (aka Geomol)14-Dec 10:37
329EndoI'll second the nomination for Kaj de Vos14-Dec 9:29
328PekrI'll second the nomination fo Nenad Rakocevic14-Dec 9:04
327SunandaI'll second Graham Chui14-Dec 9:00
326btiffinI'll second the nomination for Kaj de Vos14-Dec 8:38
325EndoI'd like to nominate Nenad Rakocevic14-Dec 8:09
324PekrI'd like to nominate Kaj de Vos14-Dec 7:40
323btiffinI'd like to nominate Graham Chui for 2011 rebol Of The Year14-Dec 5:22
322MaximI second the motion14-Dec 5:12
321btiffinMotion to open Nominations for the 2011 user.r rebol Of The Year awards.

Rules to follow same as 2010. Code posted 16-Dec-2010 in this group. Votes posted to btiffin and Maxim for verification.

(As a gentle reminder, Bob's Rules requires this motion be seconded to become an open item at the table)

14-Dec 3:38
320NickADoc, I'm humbled to even be considered in the same thought as you. Thank you everyone for your generous consideration :)14-Jan-11 5:12
319Sunanda(: Thanks Doc -- but I voted for a winner, so that's just as good :) Enjoy your year of ROTYness!13-Jan-11 11:56
318DockimbelThanks to all people who voted for me, it's a nice way to celebrate my 10th year in the REBOL world. Congrats to Nick who deserves to be honored for his great contributions. I'm a bit disappointed that Sunanda hasn't win (I voted for him), I guess it will be his turn in 2011.13-Jan-11 10:17
317SunandaCongratulations to the winners, Nerad and Nick!!

And much thanks to the organisers, Brian and Maxim!

13-Jan-11 8:33
316Maxim(just thought it had to stand out amongst the posts ;o)13-Jan-11 4:21
315MaximNick Antonaccio and Nenad Rakocevic have both been voted in as the 2010 rebol Of The Year.

Congratulations to all our nominees, and well done.

13-Jan-11 4:21
314btiffinNick Antonaccio and Nenad Rakocevic have both been voted in as the 2010 rebol Of The Year.

Congratulations to all our nominees, and well done.

13-Jan-11 3:45
313Maximyour confirmation code is: #{E15C7F825FA5126CBDFE2C1B5B884A4AF0AC634A}20-Dec-10 18:07
312Maximyour confirmation code is: #{29C145C87EFF3F3940B6B9F4BFCC06B1EC7CC006}20-Dec-10 18:06
311Maximyour confirmation code is: #{0983829EFC40DBF1471F292DBA511E31B16BD491}20-Dec-10 18:05
310Maximyour confirmation code is: #{FB9D6FE9F5C202D42DC236A1B4DBA887A518BFED} your confirmation code is: #{004731B7C62E7C8C660778F0A4C4E7569998A826} your confirmation code is: #{E3D9515DCBE1C100CDA45EB21ADBA895A8569C41}20-Dec-10 17:04
309Tomcmy vote is for sale to whomever can get carl to release a new build of anything on solaris.19-Dec-10 3:25
308nvevote send on AltME message to Maxim and btiffin18-Dec-10 13:30
307SunandaI voted a couple of days ago. My magic code has not appeared. Do I get another go?18-Dec-10 13:01
306Maximyour confirmation code is: #{FC5A5A1474EC5775A29DAE9C030E87B571419710}17-Dec-10 4:27
305Maximyour confirmation code is: #{793D226F6D0906BD7DE4060306D7821AD6950CB5}17-Dec-10 4:26
304Maximyour confirmation code is: #{380AA4B8B0D4F79D68A749726A3F24C7DF23D7C9}17-Dec-10 4:25
303Maximas we tabulate votes we will post the confirmation codes here (in random order ;-)

this will allow voters to confirm we've properly added their vote to our very sophisticaded vote counting system (a private group which will be made public the moment we announce the 2010 roty winner ).

This is to make sure we do not miss your vote due to some possible altme bug. (like the first private post of anyone to me doesn't highlight their name in my PM list). I will be logging off/on frequently in order for my PMs to be properly synced.

NB: the voter names are not included in that group, in order to keep the votes anonymous.

17-Dec-10 4:25
302btiffinPoint of information. The roty 2010 vote will be held using

roty-vote: func [ Candidate [string!] /local ballot-paper ][ random/seed now/precise ballot-paper: rejoin [lowercase candidate "-" random/secure 1e10] print ["your vote is:" mold ballot-paper] print ["your confirmation code is:" checksum/secure to-binary ballot-paper] ]

and sending the results of

roty-vote "a very hard choice"

in a message on Altme REBOL3, to user btiffin and repeated to Maxim

The hard choice comes from the nominee list of

Robert Muench Nenad Rakocevic Nick Antonaccio Henrik Kristensen Sunanda Brian Hawley

Congratulations to all in that respectable list.

Vote results, one per participant, will be accepted until the roll over to 2011, Greenwich Mean Time.

17-Dec-10 3:13
301btiffinPoint of information: recapping current nominations. Robert Muench Nenad Rakocevic Nick Antonaccio Henrik Kristensen Sunanda Brian Hawley

Voting still scheduled to be held from Dec15th through Dec 31st, 2010. Nomincations are still open until Dec 15th.

13-Dec-10 13:52
300btiffinPoint of information; Due to some confusion with Bob's fuzzy Rules of Order and to try and keep in the spirit, Brian Hawley will also be included in the list of nomincations, unless someone announces dissent before Dec 15th.13-Dec-10 13:46
299PekrSunanda seconded13-Dec-10 9:41
298PeterWoodI nominate Sunanda.13-Dec-10 9:35
297BrianHSeconded.12-Dec-10 4:28
296btiffinPoint of Information: Gregg posted two nominations. That goes against current roty rules. One nomination per participant. But, the chair would gladly accept Henrik Kristensen as a nominee, if that is acceptable to all.

Motion to include Henrik on the list of candidates. Declare dissent before December 15th.

12-Dec-10 0:27
295BrianHI second Henrik.10-Dec-10 5:37
294btiffinI'd like to propose we accept Sunanda's user.r chat REBOL voting code and method. If no one raises issue, it will be deemed official on Dec 15th, and instructions for participation posted. Voting is scheduled to end with 2010, Greenwich Mean Time.10-Dec-10 2:29
293btiffinPoint of information. Due to time constraints; the motion to vote on a rebol Of The Year counts as dead on the table, unseconded.10-Dec-10 2:21
292btiffinPoint of Information: Recapping current nominations. Robert Muench, Nenad Rakocevic, Nick Antonaccio. Participants are encouraged to get nomincations in for seconding before December 15th. Starting a vote pass by Dec 15th should give everyone a chance to get in a vote before the end of Dec 31st.4-Dec-10 17:59
291nveOui je sais :-) I have problems to understand correctly english...3-Dec-10 22:34
290BrianHHe's been nominated already; his name is Nenad Rakocevic.3-Dec-10 22:05
289nveI'll nominate Dockimbel ;-) and also Nick Antonaccio3-Dec-10 22:03
288GreggI second Nick.1-Dec-10 6:51
287SunandaI'd like to nominate Nick Antonaccio.....for his newcomer friendly initiatives [Learn REBOL articles, REBOLforum microblog]1-Dec-10 5:43
286SunandaI'll second Nenad Rakocevic1-Dec-10 5:39
285btiffinI'll second the nomination for Robert Muench.1-Dec-10 5:15
284btiffinI'd like to propose a round table vote of acceptance of the voting code and procedures posted to user.r Chat, by Sunanda. A negative outcome would hopefully be followed by new proposals and discussion.1-Dec-10 3:14
283btiffinI'd like to nominate Nenad Rakocevic for 2010's rebol Of The Year.

As a reminder, for Bob's Rules, this nomination will require a second.

1-Dec-10 3:11
282nveSorry, I'm new who are the nominees ? When the vote is closed ?26-Nov-10 23:54
281GreggWe'll all pitch in and have someone geographically close to each key player get them a nice beverage of their choosing.11-Aug-10 4:53
280Ashley+111-Aug-10 4:36
279NickAAll the guys working on R3 really deserve to be recognized for their talent and determination.11-Aug-10 1:56
278BrianHI nominate Robert Muench.10-Aug-10 7:55
277GreggSo hard to choose. I'll nominate by category

R2 - NickA R3 - Henrik R2+R3 - BrianH

10-Aug-10 4:55
276btiffinMotion to open Nominations for the 2010 user.r rebol Of The Year awards.10-Aug-10 2:38
275btiffinBrian Hawley has been voted the 2009 rebol Of The Year. Congratulations. Thanks to the other nominees and all participants.16-Feb-10 3:26
274btiffinAccepting Gregg's response as a second, for a call to end voting; I'd like to motion that we tally up the votes as per the user.r Chat example. Thanks to all participants, and best of luck to our candidates.5-Feb-10 2:44
273GreggWorks for me.29-Jan-10 2:58
272btiffinBumping... Vote counting will start on Monday?29-Jan-10 1:30
271btiffinPoint of Information; The user.r 2009 roty vote code.

vote: func [name] [ enbase/base encloak head change head insert/dup copy "" " " 16 form name "roty" 64 ]

Please use that function, capture the output and post your vote to user.r Chat

Due to encryption issues please use 'doc, 'brianh, 'henrik, for Nenad Rakocevic , Brian Hawley and Henrik Mikael Kristensen.

1-Jan-10 17:11
270AshleySeconded.24-Dec-09 23:43
269GreggI'd second your motion, but I have a conflict of interest. :-)24-Dec-09 18:12
268sqlabBahnhof24-Dec-09 14:58
267btiffinMotion to implement a voting system using Gregg's codebase posted to user.r Chat on Wednesday December 23rd.

It's REBOL, it's open, but seems hidden enough to alleviate influence decisions based on previous voters, and timelines are now short.

Please note. Unless someone motions disapproval before or after the seconding, but before January 1st, 2010, this motion is worded to bypass user.r Formal democracy and go straight to user.r implementation the moment the motion is seconded.

24-Dec-09 14:18
266btiffinMotion to open the floor to suggestions and discussions as to an appropriate voting system.10-Nov-09 23:48
265GrahamSeconded.10-Nov-09 23:11
264btiffinIt wasn't seconded ... Bob's rules say I shouldn't raise any points until someone / everyone else gets to speak. If I'm not mistaken, nominations can still be made (or a second occurs a split hair second before 11 Nov 2009 UTC).10-Nov-09 23:09
263btiffinFor the 2009 roty's I'd like to propose a nomination deadline of November 10th, 2009.

For reference; nominees include Doc, Brian, Henrik.

I'd also like to offer congratulations and thanks; a sentiment that I am sure is shared by others.

29-Oct-09 1:43
262GrahamI think we should have more categories .. like the Emmys26-Sep-09 0:29
261SunandaI'happily second Henrik.25-Sep-09 20:39
260TomcI second BrianH's25-Sep-09 20:37
259BrianHI'll second Doc's nomination :)25-Sep-09 14:30
258btiffinPlease excuse my jumping of the gun. I bypassed the normal Bob's Rules. Nominations should be seconded before acceptance. Someone kindly pointed out this oversight.

So, I'd like to formally second the motion to nominate Brian Hawley. It may not be fair for me to second the nomination for Henrik, and I'll wait to see if someone seconds Doc's nomination.

Thanks to everyone for participating.

25-Sep-09 14:24
257MaximI would like to propose there be (a small number of ) categories. then we can open up the voting to something a bit less abstract as the single most REBOLer.23-Sep-09 13:12
256AshleyIs there any voting criteria for this year's award (eg. technical, advocacy, popularity, most posts, etc) ;)23-Sep-09 13:08
255AshleyA belated but big thankyou to all for last year's nomination and kind words.23-Sep-09 13:06
254btiffinThe 2009 roty will be a contest. Details regarding a good and proper (REBOL) voting system will be posted shortly. Anyone wishing to discuss the possibilities is invited to put ideas forward in user.r Chat.

Congratulations to the current nominees.

22-Sep-09 4:49
253MaximI'd like to nominate: Henrik19-Sep-09 16:50
252Pekrgood suggestion, as I will have big difficulcy to vote one or the other :-)19-Sep-09 14:40
251sqlabWhy not one for R2 and one for R3? Both have their merits in their field.19-Sep-09 14:39
250SunandaThanks for kicking off the user.r rebol of the year award.

DocKimbel would be a worthy winner: no question of that.

To make it more of a competition than last year, I'd like to formally nominate another person who'd also be a worthy winner for his excellent work in moving R3 forward while maintaining impeccable contact with the sometimes impatient developers: ====> Brian Hawley

18-Sep-09 22:28
249btiffinI'd like to formally nominate Nenad Rakocevic, (DocKimbel) for the prestigious award of user.r rebol Of The Year, 2009.

Brian Tiffin

17-Sep-09 22:10
248?Congrats Ashley!1-Jan-09 16:43
247?For hes a jolly good fellow, for hes a jolly good fellow........1-Jan-09 16:43
246btiffinLet it be known:

As my role as Secretary of user.r, the International REBOL User Association, it with great honour that I hereby announce that

Ashley G Trüter is named the 2008 user.r rebol Of The Year.

Congratulations Ashley for the well deserved honour and the members of user.r would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your contributions, both personal and professional, to the world of REBOL development.

For those that may not know, Ashley is the author of many great software frameworks including RebGUI, RebDB and a SQLite driver. He consistently displays a level of kind professionalism that makes him more than worthy to receive the first ever rebol of the year award.

Cheers mate.

Brian Tiffin user.r Secretary

1-Jan-09 16:36
245btiffinFormal user.r communications have moved to Qtask.com. All interested parties are asked to drop btiffin a note either to REBOL3 private chat or to private email and an invitation will be sent out post haste. Please give an email address for the invitation, or mention that the account listed here on REBOL3 is ok. user.r Chat will stay open on REBOL3 for the forseeable future, but this forum, user.r Formal will be closed sometime after September 1st.

Thanks to all. Brian Tiffin user.r Secretary

18-Aug-07 20:48
244PeterWoodThe in-camera meeting has been concluded:

The members of user.r have voted to accept the following proposal:

"Completely delegate the choice of an interim communications system to the duly appointed officers of user.r"

The members of user.r voted to reject the following proposals:

"User.r may not use Qtask as an interim communications system."

"User.r may not use any proprietary solution (that includes AltME) as an interim communications system."

"User.r may not use any proprietary solution (except AltME) as an interim communications system."

10-Aug-07 15:58
243Terryoops.. did it again .. the one flaw of Altme.. misposting into the wrong group. .. although the post works here as well.10-Aug-07 9:01
242TerryWhen I say things like.. "I recommend a private IRUA task force to look into possible influence peddling and other corruptions commited by IRUA's executive branch." . ... or .... "my elderly, and possibly senile associates" ...or... "but that the current system casts a dark shadow of indeterminate length." ...or... "I motion that comment be stricken from the record." ...or... "the alleged 'influence peddling corruption scandal"

I WAS KIDDING!! A little 'poetic licence' if you will.

I mean, think about it... "recommend a private IRUA task force" ? And you think Im serious? A PRIVATE TASK FORCE ?!? Man, you guys really need to lighten up.

10-Aug-07 8:59
241Terryoops8-Aug-07 7:45
240PeterWoodI went and made the same mistake :-)8-Aug-07 2:37
239PeterWoodTerry appears to have inadvertantly posted in the user.r formal group. I am reposting here on his behalf:8-Aug-07 2:36
238TerryPASS8-Aug-07 2:22
237TerryAnd, frankly, it sucks.8-Aug-07 2:22
236TerryThank you Mr. Chairman, This meeting has neglected to address the primary issue, which is the inappropriate 'conclusion' of using Qtask as the home site for this organization. I will accept the fact that, as we are now discussing an appropriate home site for user.r, that the error has been duly noted, with no further recourse, such as suspension or removal of chairing priviledges or restricted from voting on this matter, shall be necessary.

It also appears that Qtask, is to be considered, at this time, as 'a current communications system' in use by user.r, even though this is somewhat controversial. Given this point, I will add to my earlier comments by agreeing with Mr. C and Mr. T and perhaps others, that Qtask is 'dark' .. in more ways than one.

In my earlier objections in May of this year, I also pointed out a number of other issues with regard to this 'third party' home site solution... The following are quotes to refresh the memories of my esteemed, perhaps elderly and somewhat senile, associates...

"I object to the sixth motion on the grounds that Qtask is a proprietary company, that has a tendency to exclude critics" "b) If not stricken, then provided as proof that utilizing a 3rd party, proprietary system can be detrimental to the welfare of this association, as it makes clear that said owners have in the past denied access at 'their sole discretion', and that this power supersedes the power of the chair, and as such, gives the owners of the system MORE power than the chair."

I also agree with others here that Qtask is 'dark'.

8-Aug-07 2:21
235PeterWoodIf you wish to join the meeting please post a request here.7-Aug-07 2:28
234PeterWoodI invite all members of user.r to an in-camera meeting of user.r to be held in the private group "user.r in camera"7-Aug-07 2:27
233TerrySo be it. Mr. Wood, if you would be so kind.6-Aug-07 20:09
232SunandaAye to that too.6-Aug-07 19:38
231btiffinI'll second that Peter Wood chair an in camera session.6-Aug-07 18:46
230TerrySirs, a chairperson and proper meeting must come to order before further discussion takes place. Is there no second to Peter Wood as chairman?6-Aug-07 18:39
229ChrisAlso, if I may address the mood from the peanut gallery (one of whom apparently of Czech origin was marauding in the chamber), may I point out that consensual decision-making has never been proposed as a means of immediate resolution, rather well-considered decisions based on compromise (which active participants would also do well to remember) that most, if not all, can be comfortable with. With regard to the elaborate formality (my powdered wig is very fetching, by the way), while language used is unfortunately anglo-centric, is expressive and better suited to conveying intent with narrower scope for misinterpretation.6-Aug-07 15:42
228ChrisIf I may represent Petr's main point: that it does not matter what web framework the temporary site is based upon, so long as no dependency to that framework is created and so long as there are no ulterior motives for using that framework. In my opinion, given the agonies that have brought us to this point, it would not have been in Brian's or the group's interest to skimp on the selection process in favour of a preordained framework. Dependency, as I've stated before, is of greater concern.6-Aug-07 15:25
227AshleyI second the motion that Pekr's comment be stricken from the record, and move that his comments preceding this one likewise be stricken.6-Aug-07 7:48
226PekrSorry, did not distinguished those two and its roles ...6-Aug-07 6:50
225PekrOK6-Aug-07 6:49
224TerrySir, your comments are best tabled in the user.r debate group.6-Aug-07 6:49
223TerryOrder6-Aug-07 6:46
222PekrI now might understand, why Carl does not like official organisations ;-)6-Aug-07 6:46
221PekrI wonder if someone actually has a real preference to base our vote for the site upon? As for me, I don't, because I don't know, what the requirements are going to be ....6-Aug-07 6:44
220Pekrif someone will read it outside our group, he/she might think we are all ill. The group of what - less than 10 participants, can't get things moving in a natural way ...6-Aug-07 6:43
219PekrThis whole thing starts to sound rudiculous, not matter what Robert's rules propose ....6-Aug-07 6:42
218Pekrwho gives a f..., what the site is, right? It can change as many times as the group wishes for. I believe btiffin simply wanted to get thing started. What would be his intention/motive to use Qtask? He is surely not paid by Reichart to bring user.r to qtask. Terry, I wonder if you would rise the same objections, if from the very beginning the site was based upon Kommonwealth? :-)6-Aug-07 6:41
217TerryI motion that comment be stricken from the record.6-Aug-07 6:40
216Pekrguys, you are starting to act like a politics :-)6-Aug-07 6:40
215TerryI motion that Peter Wood act as Chairman if willing.6-Aug-07 6:39
214btiffinI'll also second the motion that it be held in private6-Aug-07 5:41
213btiffinI'll second the motion for an emergency meeting.6-Aug-07 5:40
212TerryI also motion that this meeting be conducted behind close doors to prevent any leaks to the media.6-Aug-07 2:18
211TerryThis proposal is thus motioned.6-Aug-07 2:17
210TerryI propose an emergency meeting, and given the seriousness of this situation, and the alleged 'influence peddling corruption scandal" that the meeting NOT be chaired by Mr. Tiffin, nor anyone with direct or indirect ties with Qtask.6-Aug-07 2:14
209TerryI objected to the sixth open motion (using Qtask as the home site) on the 26th of May, and yet my objection has clearly been stonewalled.6-Aug-07 2:10
208PeterWoodI think that this should be addressed.6-Aug-07 2:08
207PeterWoodYou concern that once the user.r Qtask group is started there will be a barrier to move and hence to adopt another home site is valid.6-Aug-07 2:08
206Terry"Barging ahead...Qtask home site is being built. :)" -- B. Tiffin

That smiley is incriminating

6-Aug-07 2:03
205TerryThe decision to use Qtask has clearly been made here. To suggest that once the user.r Qtask group has started, that a vote to move will be sucessful is naive, and obvious to Qtask supporters.6-Aug-07 2:01
204Terry"Democracy is taking too long, so I'll accept Qtask" ... travesty at best.6-Aug-07 1:59
203PeterWoodThis was posted in the user.r chat conversation:

"The choice of the Qtask system will still be open for democratic objection, but democracy was taking too long."

6-Aug-07 1:56
202PeterWoodTerry: I can understand your frustration. No decision has been made taken and my understanding is that the use of Qtask is a temporary convenience.6-Aug-07 1:55
201TerryMr. Chairman, your bias towards Qtask is well documented. I recommend a private IRUA task force to look into possible influence peddling and other corruptions commited by IRUA's executive branch.6-Aug-07 1:47
200TerryThis, Mr. Chairman, is a travesty. How do you account for this oversight?6-Aug-07 1:41
199TerryUm, at what point did we determine Qtask as the home site (the sixth motion)?6-Aug-07 1:34
198btiffinThe chair would llike to once again thanks all participants.

This meeting stands adjouned.

1-Aug-07 7:38
197AshleyI second the motion to adjourn, and add a belated Aye for user.r.1-Aug-07 7:36
196btiffinWith this issue now complete, as per the opening the of the meeting I move to adjourn.

To Recap; user.r has won a quorum majority and will be the Official name of the association A home site is being prepared on Qtask.com, under a project name of user.r The IRUA and IRUA chat forums will remain for 72 hours, after which they will be renamed.

The first meeting of user.r is scheduled to begin Saturday August 11th 2007 at 6pm GMT. This meeting will be held in Qtask, under the user.r project. Anyone wishing to attend, please accept the invitations and please request an invitation by dropping an Altme note to btiffin.

Word of this new association will be spread across other online systems as well.

The chair would like to thank all participants.

1-Aug-07 7:07
195btiffinThe chair is pleased to announce the Official Formation of user.r1-Aug-07 6:58
194btiffinPoint of Information: A quorum has been reached. The aye's have it.1-Aug-07 6:54
193Pekrmy user.r vote - Aye1-Aug-07 6:51
192ChrisNay1-Aug-07 1:27
191btiffinPoint of information; The chair would like to remind the house, that due to the nature of the motion at hand, an ojection raised by any member will halt the proceeding and the issue will return to the table for open debate.31-Jul-07 6:59
190btiffinPoint of information for the esteemed member; Yes the mail was delayed, but the original lists and counts were recinded. A new motion was brought forward with the new counts and sort. user.r was elevated to highest on the list, IRUA relegated to third. The current vote is for user.r if it fails to receive a majority then RABBLE will be tabled for vote.

Point of information; Raw data can be requested from btiffin using the email in Altme. The data will also be posted to the home site archive for historical purposes once the archive is established.

31-Jul-07 6:41
189Pekrreal world = real word31-Jul-07 6:17
188PekrBrian ... how is that IRUA had no negative references? I sent my email one day ago, hopefully it was there in time, and I am nearly sure I voted for IRUA with some negativity. First - it is not real world, second I am not sure what the abbreviation means, I mean - having it on my t-shirt is far from being cool, if even I can't depict the abbreviation. And third, it reminds me of IRA :-)

My email was sent 10:29 GMT + 2

31-Jul-07 6:17
187Sunandaaye31-Jul-07 5:52
186PeterWoodUnderstood31-Jul-07 3:32
185btiffinPoint of information; Sorry. Can't vote for anything but user.r yet. It's a top down pass. If user.r does not win a majority RABBLE is up next.31-Jul-07 3:30
184PeterWoodI vote Aye for IRUA31-Jul-07 3:29
183PeterWood..but I could be persuaded to vote for users.r unless RT does the sensible thing and changes the default file extension to .reb31-Jul-07 3:04
182PeterWoodI vote Nay for user.r31-Jul-07 3:03
181btiffinPoint of Information;

users.r was not on the list. But this vote is the first official name pass. There will be a way to ammend the name, but it will require a 3/4 majority vote to open the issue, according to existing Roberts Rules, which still require some form of ammendment and ratification for this esteemed group.

31-Jul-07 2:41
180GreggThough I kind of like a slight twist of adding an 's, now that I say it out loud; users.r. Can't remember if that was on the block or not.31-Jul-07 2:32
179GreggShould we add Aye and Nay as logic words in REBOL? :-)

In any case, I vote Aye.

31-Jul-07 2:31
178btiffinaye31-Jul-07 1:41
177btiffinAll those is favour of user.r as the official name please say aye. All those opposed please say nay.31-Jul-07 1:39
176btiffinPoint of information. The list is now changed. So the first name up for vote is now user.r

As a reminder. Yea, aye, yes, or other positive response is acceptable. Nay, no or other negative response is acceptable.

31-Jul-07 1:38
175btiffinI move to rescind the current vote in order to reconsider31-Jul-07 1:35
174btiffinName, merged positive and negative user.r 2.44954128440367 RABBLE 2.19266055045872 IRUA 1.68807339449541 RCoders -0.807339449541284 Rebols -1.48623853211009 REWARD -1.97247706422018 RUGGED -2.0642201834862431-Jul-07 1:34
173btiffinPoint of information. The chair jumped the gun. Delayed mail, but send before the debate closed. New results. Reissueing the result lists. Name, positive, negative user.r 3.44954128440367 1 RABBLE 3.19266055045872 1 IRUA 2.52293577981651 0.834862385321101 Rebols 1.27522935779817 2.76146788990826 RCoders 1.24770642201835 2.05504587155963 REWARD 0.403669724770642 2.37614678899082 RUGGED 0.247706422018349 2.3119266055045931-Jul-07 1:30
172btiffinYea30-Jul-07 20:26
171btiffinI move that the assembly vote yea or nay on IRUA as the official name for this esteemed association. Objection from any member will lead to open debate. Lack of a majority yea, will lead to a vote on user.r30-Jul-07 20:25
170btiffinI move that, unless objected, a quorum for these votes be placed at a 2/3 majority.30-Jul-07 20:21
169btiffinPoint of information. The chair would like to point out a few facts about the information. user.r recieved the highest positive preference, but also had a negative preference indicator. IRUA while third on the postive preference list, had no negative preference indicators. Once again unless objected, the second list will be used (in order from top to bottom) for a majority yea/nay vote.30-Jul-07 20:11
168btiffinPoint of information; Sorry the chair mistakenly referenced the first list as raw data. Raw data will be available upon request to the Secretary user btiffin's email can be found through normal Altme means. The first list is the sorted data by postive result.30-Jul-07 20:07
167btiffinSorted by merging postitve and negative IRUA 2.52293577981651 user.r 1.85321100917431 RABBLE 1.71559633027523 REWARD -1.36697247706422 RCoders -1.40366972477064 RUGGED -1.65137614678899 Rebols -2.1743119266055130-Jul-07 20:05
166btiffinRaw data: Combined votes; Name, positive preference, negative prefernce user.r 2.85321100917431 1 RABBLE 2.71559633027523 1 IRUA 2.52293577981651 0 RCoders 0.651376146788991 2.05504587155963 Rebols 0.587155963302752 2.76146788990826 REWARD 0.403669724770642 1.77064220183486 RUGGED 0.247706422018349 1.8990825688073430-Jul-07 20:03
165btiffinFirst the raw tally, then two sorted results. The first sort is by positive preference only, the second sort is by merging positive and negative results together. Unless objected the chair will proceed with a yea/nay vote using the second list, merged positive and negative preferences.30-Jul-07 20:02
164btiffinPoint of information. As the survey had both positive and negative preferences, the assembly will be given two lists to decide from.30-Jul-07 19:59
163btiffinHaving no objections. The naming survey is closed.30-Jul-07 19:58
162btiffinUnless objected, the chair moves to limit the current naming debate to 6pm GMT Monday July 30th. After which time all accumulated results will be tallied and tabled.30-Jul-07 8:11
161btiffinI second Ashley's motion.

Point of Information. All votes received are being forwarded to the Vice-President, Maxim, for integrity checks, redundancy and some semblance, while still imperfect, of a sense of fairness and impartiality.

11-Jul-07 3:43
160AshleyI propose that we message btiffin directly with our votes. They won't be anonymous, but I think we can trust Brian to be discreet. ;)11-Jul-07 2:21
159TerryI propose that given this is the year 2007, and being man(kind) walked on the moon some 40 years ago, that a voting method that is 100% reliable is not only in order for this so great an association, but that the current system casts a dark shadow of indeterminate length.10-Jul-07 5:33
158TerryAye, present10-Jul-07 5:27
157PeterWoodTried to vote twice - unsuccessfully on both occasions - I don't have email setup on the machine from which I use View (apart from Google that is).8-Jul-07 8:30
156btiffinPoint of Information; There is an association name vote survey posted to the REBOL/View viewtop under Public - Sites - peoplecards - REBOL User Group - IRUA Votes. If there are any problems please post a comment to IRUA Chat.27-Jun-07 20:58
155ChrisAye, present24-Jun-07 15:30
154SunandaAye, present24-Jun-07 8:00
153btiffinThe floor is now open foe new business and continuing discussions.23-Jun-07 22:49
152btiffinMembers are asked to discuss issues in IRUA Chat and then table motions here when ready.23-Jun-07 22:49
151btiffinI move that the Fifth Meeting of the IRUA be left open until resolution of the current open motions. This meeting will not adjourn until a member of the assembly calls for adjournment and it is seconded by another member unless an objection is raised in which case it will remain open.23-Jun-07 22:47
150btiffinMembers are reminded to particpate in the Roll Call with an Aye present.23-Jun-07 22:45
149btiffinOpen motions include; Choice of Name, Rules of Order, Role of President, Home Site, including Clarification of Home Site Needs.23-Jun-07 22:44
148btiffinCommittee reports are pending23-Jun-07 22:42
147btiffinExecutive Reports are still pending23-Jun-07 22:42
146btiffinRoll Call for IRUA interest will continue throughout the Fifth Meeting.23-Jun-07 22:42
145btiffinLet the Fourth Meeting minutes be read at http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/iruameetingminutes.4.txt23-Jun-07 22:41
144btiffinI move that btiffin act as the Chair for this meeting23-Jun-07 22:40
143btiffinThe Fifth Meeting of the IRUA is called to Order23-Jun-07 22:40
142btiffinThis meeting stands adjourned20-Jun-07 3:49
141btiffinIn recap;

A new motion for a requirements summary was introduced and will be put to committee in IRU chat.

The chair would once again like to thank all participants.

The next meeting is scheduled for Saturday June 26th, at 16:00 UTC

20-Jun-07 3:49
140btiffinThe Fourth Meeting of IRUA is about to close.20-Jun-07 3:39
139MaximI'll second that.17-Jun-07 15:46
138ChrisI move that a statement of need and requirements with regard to a home web site be composed before this body make a decision on the location and/or software that will comprise said web site.17-Jun-07 15:41
137ChrisAye present.17-Jun-07 15:29
136Maximaye present.17-Jun-07 14:28
135PeterWoodaye present17-Jun-07 10:43
134TerryMr. Chairman, I propose the use of Kommonwealth as the IRUA home site.17-Jun-07 9:39
133TerryAye present17-Jun-07 9:35
132Sunandaaye present16-Jun-07 19:03
131btiffinThe floor is now open for new business and discussions.16-Jun-07 17:18
130btiffinMembers are reminded to participate in the Roll Call with an Aye Present.16-Jun-07 17:17
129btiffinAs before this meeting will remain open for at least 72 hours.16-Jun-07 17:17
128btiffinThis assembly still has open motions for The Choice of Name and a voting procedure choosing the name.

The open motion for Rules is still in committee.

There is still the presidential position to fill.

An draft online voting system will be tabled during this meeting

The Home Site debate remains open.

And the Advocate Assistants motion is open for debate.

16-Jun-07 17:16
127btiffinCommittee Reports are pending16-Jun-07 17:09
126btiffinThe Chair is pleased to announce there is an Executive, and a Council. Position of President remains unfilled.

Executive reports and Council reports are pending.

16-Jun-07 17:08
125btiffinRoll Call for IRUA intertest will continue through the Foufth Meeting.16-Jun-07 17:05
124btiffinLet the Third Meeting minutes be read at http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/iruameetingminutes.3.txt16-Jun-07 17:05
123btiffinI move that btiffin act as Chair for this meeting16-Jun-07 17:04
122btiffinThe Fourth Meeting of the IRUA is called to Order16-Jun-07 17:03
121btiffinIn recap;

We have, by acclamation, A Vice-President; Maxim A Secretary; btiffin An Official Advocate; Pekr As Vice-President Maxim will also be acting President

A Draft Constitution has been posted to http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/iruaconstitution.rsp

Officially the member count stands at 8, unofficially this number is higher.

The First Open Motion now includes RABBLE, user.r, RUGGED, REWARD, IRUA, RCoders and Rebols as possible association names. R and RCamp were not seconded, but may be proposed again.

A new motion to grant the Advocate powers to appoint Assistants to Council was opened.

The First open motion, the Naming motion remains open and the voting system remains undefined. The Second open motion, the Rules motion remains open. The Fourth motion will remain open until election of a President. The Fifth motion, the Committees motion remains open and it is hoped that activities will continue outside the meeting timeframes. The Sixth motion, the Home Site motion is still open for debate. And the Advocate Assistants motion will be open for debate in the Fourth Meeting.

The Fourth Meeting is scheduled to open on Saturday June 16th 2007, 16:00 UTC

The Chair would once again like to thank all participants in this meeting and those participating in the IRUA Chat forum.

This meeting stands adjourned.

13-Jun-07 1:45
120btiffinThe Third Meeting of IRUA is about to close13-Jun-07 1:25
119btiffinPoint of Information; A Draft Constitution has been posted to http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/irua.rsp home with link to http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/iruaconstitution.rsp

Please note that this is a draft and members are asked to place comments to IRUA Chat. Also note, that it is also a Work In Progress, some links may not be complete, but the text of the Draft copy will not change without notice here.

12-Jun-07 0:27
118PeterWoodI second the five motions moved by btiffin11-Jun-07 23:44
117btiffinI move that the postion of Official Advocate be given power to appoint one or two Members in General to a postion in Council as Advocate Assistant. These positions will offer the members of the assembly points of contact to the Official Advocate and will assist in preparation of Advocate Reports.

Appointments will be granted at the pleasure of the Advocate, unless an objection is raised from the Assembly. Objections will initiate a confirmation debate and will then require a majority vote for acceptance.

This motion will stand open for debate and be known as the Seventh Open Motion and/or the Motion for Advocate Assistants.

11-Jun-07 20:40
116btiffinI move the assembly accept (by acclamation) Pekr as Official Advocate Nominations posted before the end of the Third Meeting will halt this acclamation.11-Jun-07 20:20
115btiffinI move the assembly accept (by acclamation) btiffin as Secretary Nominations posted before the end of the Third Meeting will halt this acclamation.11-Jun-07 20:18
114btiffinI move that the assembly accept (by acclamation) Maxim as Vice-President Nominations posted before the end of the Third Meeting will halt this acclamation. Until further notice, the role of Vice-President will also be acting President.11-Jun-07 20:18
113ChrisIt should be noted this association has been founded and is currently convening over a proprietary system, and informations generated by this association on said system is available in an open, though proprietary, exchange format. Presumably, due to the nature of this association, the proprietary exchange format and by extension the proprietary system is acceptable to all association members for the duration of our presence on said system.10-Jun-07 5:00
112ChrisAye, present. For the record, has this association expressed what needs said association has in a [web] site before deciding on any particular vendors' products? It follows that whether proprietary or not, while a concern, should not be the determining factor in this association's selection process. As long as it is clear that any informations generated by this association is wholly owned by this association and this association will always assert full rights over said informations, including the right to extract all owned informations in an open data exchange format (open does not necessarily imply that format is proprietary or not) at this association's convenience. Under these conditions, surely it is in this association's interests to find, or develop, software that best meets this association's needs?10-Jun-07 4:55
111btiffinI'll second Rebols for a possible name for the association.10-Jun-07 1:44
110btiffinThe Chair has denounced members alluding to motive or personality.

Efforts were taken to deal with 'striking from the record', but with no official code or constitution it was deemed unworkable, at this stage. As another issue with more than one open motion, challenges to statements are usually lost once new business has been tabled. This is a rule that will need clarification in the Modified Rules of Order.

The Chair is at fault for directly naming Qtask, but felt as it had already been mentioned by name, that a representative be allowed to interject comment in defense...perhaps in error. Another issue that will need clarification in the Modified Rules is regarding procedural mistakes by the Chair.

Points regarding use of a proprietary system are an issue that will require more debate and are points well raised and well taken.

The Chair is committed to proper Rules of Order, and will do it's utmost to uphold these principles. This will be carried out with a due sense of authority once a constitution has been ratified by the assembly.

10-Jun-07 1:43
109TerryMr. Chairman, I propose "Rebols" as a candiate name for the association.10-Jun-07 1:26
108TerryBeing Canadian, Mr. Chairman, Im sure you're aware of the 'code of ethics' regarding debate within the House of Commons, and that simply disagreeing with, or simply not desiring to hear the comments of fellows is not sufficient grounds to exclude, or even remove a member from proceedings. It is the job of the Chair to decide if conduct is befitting or not, given this, I motion.. a) That the comments of one Gabriele made here on the 27th of May be stricken from the record. or.. b) If not stricken, then provided as proof that utilizing a 3rd party, proprietary system can be detrimental to the welfare of this association, as it makes clear that said owners have in the past denied access at 'their sole discretion', and that this power supersedes the power of the chair, and as such, gives the owners of the system MORE power than the chair.

Mr. Chair, it will be a dark day for this association when and if these proceedings are controlled by a dictatorship.

10-Jun-07 1:21
107TerryAye Mr. Chairman, present.10-Jun-07 0:58
106btiffinI'll second the proposal for RCoders.10-Jun-07 0:33
105PeterWoodI would like to propose RCoders as a candidate name for the assocation10-Jun-07 0:32
104PeterWoodI would agree if the 'history' means that IRUA cannot operate according to the rules it chooses10-Jun-07 0:31
103btiffinWhich leads to perhaps not choosing a proprietary system, that may have some 'history'10-Jun-07 0:26
102PeterWoodShould any prior history be an obstacle to entry?

Personally, I believe that prior history should not be an obstacle to entry - what is important is member's behaviour in the group.

10-Jun-07 0:25
101btiffinI'm of that opinion as well. But it does deserve discussion and our choices will be up for vote soon.10-Jun-07 0:24
100PeterWoodCan an open group choose a proprietary system for home base?

Surely the answer is yes provided the proprietary system does not restrict the group from operating under its rules.

10-Jun-07 0:22
99btiffinAnd it brings up a good point for discussion. Can an open group choose a proprietary system for home base? Even if the Code of Ethics is inline? Should any prior history be an obstacle to entry?10-Jun-07 0:19
98btiffinYes that is assumed. Open entry. Privileged membership.10-Jun-07 0:17
97PeterWoodIE Initial membership should be unrestricted.10-Jun-07 0:17
96PeterWoodPersonally, I believe that membership should only be restricted should a member breach the Code of Ethics10-Jun-07 0:16
95btiffinIn futures, after a ratified constitution, yes that is implied. As open as people can stand 'within reason'.10-Jun-07 0:15
94PeterWoodDoes that imply restricted entry to membership of IRUA?10-Jun-07 0:14
93btiffinWithin the rules posted by the site...not for us to dictate any special terms.10-Jun-07 0:13
92PeterWoodI would like to ask the chair was he meant by "....within reason"10-Jun-07 0:13
91PeterWoodaye, present10-Jun-07 0:12
90btiffinI would like to propose RCamp as a candidate name for the association.9-Jun-07 17:49
89btiffinQtask.com (or any site of this nature we may choose as a home) will reserve all due rights.9-Jun-07 17:46
88btiffinPoint of Information regarding the Sixth Motion' Let it be added to the record...

that any and all individuals will be invited...within reason.

9-Jun-07 17:41
87btiffinPoint of Information regarding the Sixth Opion Motion... The important point of the proprietary nature of qtask.com was raised. The Chair has been informed by the proprietors that any and all individuals that show interest will be invited9-Jun-07 17:36
86Sunandaaye, present second btiffin to chair this meeting.9-Jun-07 17:27
85btiffinThe floor is now open for new business and open discussion.

Members are once again reminded to show interest with an "Aye Present". Those that have done so at a previous meeting have already been entered into the Roll.

9-Jun-07 17:26
84btiffinAs before, this meeting will stand for at least 72 hours.9-Jun-07 17:24
83btiffinIn regards to the Sixth Motion, the Chair would like to propose qtask.com as a potential Home Site and will leave the item up for discussion.9-Jun-07 17:24
82btiffinThe Fifth Open motion, regarding Committees is expecting tabled proposals during this meeting.9-Jun-07 17:21
81btiffinNo new names have been proposed for positions of Officers.9-Jun-07 17:20
80btiffinI would like to propose R as a candidate for the official name of the associaton

Second Open motion is still in discussion, but a draft proposal on votes and quorums will be tabled during this meeting.

9-Jun-07 17:19
79btiffinFirst Open Motion still includes Rabble, user.r, RUGGED and REWARD9-Jun-07 17:17
78btiffinCommittee reports include; Draft Consistution will be tabled during this meeting. Draft Code of Ethics will be tabled during this meeting.

Draft Rules of Order are still open for discussion.

9-Jun-07 17:16
77btiffinThere is still no Executive Committee, and hence no Officer Reports.9-Jun-07 17:15
76btiffinRoll Call for IRUA interest will continue through this Third Meeting9-Jun-07 17:14
75btiffinLet the Second Meeting minutes be read at http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/iruameetingminutes.2.txt9-Jun-07 17:13
74btiffinI move that btiffin act as Chair for this meeting.9-Jun-07 17:05
73btiffinThe Third Meeting of the International REBOL User Association is called to Order9-Jun-07 17:04
72btiffinCorrection...Third Meeting is Scheduled for Saturday June 9th. Apologies.6-Jun-07 2:35
71btiffinThe Second Meeting of the IRUA stands adjourned.6-Jun-07 2:33
70btiffinTo recap The member count stands at 5. These names will be announced in the Third Meeting Roll Call. Informally this count is higher, formally it stands at 5.

For the First Open Motion, IRUA will be added to the list of possible names.

The Second Open Motion remains in Committee. Options will be tabled at the Third Meeting. In particular the Appeal for Decision regarding votes will be tabled as a Special Order during the Third Meeting and a Committee report will be expected. The Third Motion regarding a Fiscal Committee is closed.

The Fourth Open Motion remains, pending the Appeal for Decision regarding voting rights, privileges and procedures. The position of Secretary has been officially seconded. No new names have been entered.

The Fifth Open Motion retains all open Committees. A draft Constitution will, at the least, be announced to the assembly during the Third Meeting.

There was no progress regarding the Sixth Motion, advertised Home Site. This issue will carry forward.

The Chair would like to thank all participants. Discussions in IRUA Chat will be appreciated and a proposal for voting procedures will be posted there along with other Committee efforts.

The Third Meeting is scheduled to begin at 16:00 UTC, Saturday, June 16th, 2007.

6-Jun-07 2:32
69btiffinThis Second Meeting of IRUA is about to close.6-Jun-07 2:12
68btiffinI'll second the IRUA proposal.5-Jun-07 20:57
67MaximI propose the name IRUA, for its organisational sounding non backronym authenticity.5-Jun-07 20:53
66MaximAye, present5-Jun-07 20:46
65PeterWoodI second BTiffin as Secretary3-Jun-07 10:45
64AshleyAye, present3-Jun-07 0:11
63btiffinAs before. The IRUA open meetings will stand for at least 3 days (72 hours). Third Meeting tentatively scheduled for Saturday, 9th of June, 2007, 16:00 UTC.

The Chair reminds members to please stand and be recognized during this meeeting, with an "Aye, present".

This meeting does not stand adjourned.

2-Jun-07 16:33
62btiffinThe Chair now opens the floor for any new business. These items will up for debate during this second meeting and will be placed in the agenda for the Third Meeting of the esteemed organization.2-Jun-07 16:30
61btiffinRecapping Open Motions;

Of primary concern is the assembly wishes for quorums, and free elections. This will be open for debate and will be part of the Robert's Rules of Order modification Committee.

2-Jun-07 16:28
60btiffinUpon member objection, the Sixth Motion will now remain Open. There will be an open debate on where the IRUA will advertise its Home Site.2-Jun-07 16:26
59btiffinThe Fifth Open Motion regarding committees will remain the Fifth Open Motion2-Jun-07 16:24
58btiffinI appeal for a decision; Let the nominations stand open until the Second Open Motion issue regarding votes and quorums be resolved.2-Jun-07 16:23
57btiffinNominations for Official Advocate; Pekr.2-Jun-07 16:22
56btiffinFourth Open Motion Nominations for President; None Nominations for Vice-President; Maxim Nominations for Secretary; btiffin, still requires a Second before vote. An official request for Second was placed in IRUA Chat. This will stand unless there is an objection from the floor.2-Jun-07 16:21
55btiffinThird Open Motion Fiscal Committee. I table this motion by closed, until brought up again at a later meeting. This motion will be closed unless there is an objection from the floor.2-Jun-07 16:19
54btiffinSecond Open Motion Robert's Rules of Order... Discussion will need to commence on the assembly wishes for vote and quorums. The will remain the Second Open Motion.2-Jun-07 16:17
53btiffinMotions from the First Meeting.

First open motion, to remain named, First Open Motion The oranganization names officially tabled stands at Rabble user.r REWARD RUGGED

2-Jun-07 16:16
52btiffinFiscal Report remains fixed at zero. No finacials.2-Jun-07 16:14
51btiffinDraft Code of Ethics work progresses; Currently stands untabled.2-Jun-07 16:13
50btiffinCommittee Reports include: Draft Constitution work progresses; Currently stands untabled.2-Jun-07 16:13
49SunandaAye, present Second btiffin to chair this meeting. Thanks!2-Jun-07 16:12
48btiffinLet it be known, there is yet no Executive Committee and hence no Officer Reports.2-Jun-07 16:12
47btiffinUnlike the previous meeting, this meeting will include a roll call. At any point during this (at least) 72 hour meeting, members with interest will please speak to the group with an "Aye, present". This will allow discussions regarding votes, and quorums to proceed at further meetings.2-Jun-07 16:09
46btiffinLet the meeting begin with minutes from the first meeting read at http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/iruameetingminutes.1.txt2-Jun-07 16:07
45btiffinI move that btiffin act as Chair for this meeting2-Jun-07 16:05

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